drow zelensky: Some of us fundamentally believe that democracy is an ideal in itself and not just when it produces outcomes that flatter our priors

the problem is that argument 1 is idiotic because in this case the "no one" is, in fact, Reform UK voters. i hate everything about their worldview, but that's how they voted and they deserve representation that reflects that

The best arguments against proportional representation seem to be: (1) no one wants that many members of Reform UK in the Commons and (2) every election would ultimately come down to the Lib Dems (maybe plus a regional party / the Greens) deciding whether Tories or Labour get to form the government.

Some of us fundamentally believe that democracy is an ideal in itself and not just when it produces outcomes that flatter our priors

Also if you say "regional party" one more time,

The use of MPs isn’t to govern a region in the first place

that's not my objection

It’s a fair one to people who insist that a local region of support should get a party like PC almost as many seats as Reform, on the idea that they have concentrated support in one region of the country.

Yes, but my point was that if I hear Wales and Scotland described as regions I will start to get very angry.

back in 1994 I was super upset that the UK got four separate bites at the apple on qualifying for the World Cup, I thought it was bullshit. They should have had to field one team, same as we couldn't field an Iowa team.

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