I find it difficult to believe you looked very hard, as it was easily available. More importantly, why did you think it was appropriate to say anything at all without having engaged with the primary source that you knew existed? It’s easy to wait.
Just because it’s available doesn’t mean it’s accessible. Yesterday morning was the first time I had available to sit down and listen to even one hour of audio, and I still haven’t had the opportunity to listen to the other three. That’s why I had been asking for the details of the accusers’ claims.
I also didn’t have the energy to listen to it until yesterday. But even in my personal life I didn’t say anything but the bare minimum until I had because I am not going to say shit about sexual violence when all I have is hearsay and wild speculation!
The only thing I saw people saying was “what are the actual statements from the actual people involved?” I still don’t understand why seeking out the victims’ stories is somehow troublesome.
You and I agree that seeking out victims stories is important. I think you did good work making a transcript available. Where we may disagree is whether it’s appropriate to spend A LOT of time sharing skepticism without first engaging with a source.
I think it’s inappropriate to make SO MANY posts like this without getting information, and inappropriate to defend it. It’s fine to wait for more information, not fine to put a LOT of time into criticizing media you haven’t engaged with yet when doing so leads here.
Look, if you want to be mad at me, fine. However, as of that screenshot, I’d gone around for about the fifth time, having the exact same conversation with the exact same person yelling in all caps, until they finally got a screenshot they could gloat about.
I think the tacticsl mistake was letting them make you go round and round with them: one clarification (or 2)& then mute the conversation or block the person probably would serve you better.
At least it's been better for me since I started mostly doing that. & I think I regret it every time I forget
Oh, you’re broadly right, and I should be better about it. I just get hung up on “but there is an observable FACT and this person has that fact WRONG and I can fix this if I just explain…” which only works on people who actually care about getting things like primary vs secondary source right.
