little of both probably
Internet has kinda segmented everything and spread everything out so that there's not really ever one Singular Dominant "culture" to be counter to.
makes sense
ive been thinking a lot about how nixon-reagan era indie comix artists seemed to take charge of the mainstream in the 90s, most notably matt groening, but that spirit seems to me to have been very slowly suffocated - but that's where the 'im 40 and my brain works different' comes in