you're right but we feel like there's some potential crossover because one time we hung out on the ceiling wondering "why isn't that dipshit taking the pipe" until someone jabbed us in the ribs and snapped us back to our body because we were the dipshit
How are they different?
It's still the same brain whether you get there through chanting and meditation, or substances. I guess you could argue the plant spirits are demons giving you fake experiences...
This is the crux of it though there's only a difference in the experience if you believe you're actually leaving your body. If you don't believe astral travel outside of the body is possible then there is literally no difference it's just chemicals in your brain creating a similar experience.
Drugs allow you to experience the same feeling but don't allow you to leave your body. Historically witches used drugs to amplify magic. This is nothing more than modern day anti drug propaganda masquerading as a form of elitism. "I had to get there through effort you can't get there through drugs."
I agree, but I don't think there's necessarily a reason drugs don't allow you to leave your body when other techniques do. It sounds like the OP is using mysticism selectively, "magic and astral projection are real, but only manually, if you use drugs you're just imagining it!"
This is where I think simultaneous truths can be useful. Trips (especially on plant spirits like ayahuasca) are insightful magical experiences. They're also scrambling your brain and making you see stuff that isn't there. Reality is somewhere between those, and you get there by changing perspective
Due to the word limit I was forced to cut a lot from my original messages including that my family raised me to be pagan and not many witches I've ever met agree with this person. The vast majority I've met have used drugs as a starting point for opening their minds to such things.
