Sam Bergman: Calzones are filled buns that were castrated young and grew to unusual size because of the hormones.

if it’s stuffed is it them a dumpling and no longer a noodle? pasta perverts, I’m asking questions

Ravioli are dumplings, tortellini are not. I cannot justify this but my heart knows it to be true.

interesting, are there dimsum shapes that are no longer dumpling?

I will admit that I have always wondered why shumai are considered dumplings when they're open at the top.

yeah, when I first met them I was like ❓

But also, if the puffy dough balls in US-style chicken and dumplings are dumplings, then it's a word without meaning, and any definition will collapse under close inspection.

yeah, I think when the dough is more complicated or is not a separate piece wrapped around some filling is gets messy so fast

Also, for me, "dumpling" implies a noodle-type wrapper (as in gyoza or xiao long bao) and not a bready wrapper (steamed buns or empanadas) so it's not just about filling enclosure.

are all yeasted casings out? bao?

I mean, this is the problem, right? So many variants that it's hard to draw a firm line. But to me, yeasted bao are not dumplings, they're filled buns.

now we fight, bao are just big fisher price style dumps imo

True lol at "big fisher price style dumps," but yeah, for me, that leads you down the road to "Pop Tarts are dumplings," and I don't fuck with that kind of hot-dog-is-a-sandwich nonsense.

The answer here might be a version of Kenji Lopez-Alt's answer to the hot dog question. He decided it wasn't a sandwich because if you said "let's get sandwiches" and then showed up with hot dogs, that would be weird behavior. If I said "let's have dumplings" and provided yeasted buns, that's weird.

if I said let’s have dumps and brought you a bao I would be sincere about it! but the buns are dumplings in my world

I think this mainly comes down to whether you are a person who is delighted by taxonomies, or a person who is bothered by contradiction? Either way, I will happily eat the bao.

yeah, I just need some light banter today and am constantly thinking about food

At what point does a dumpling become a calzone? Is it based solely on size or dough complexity?

Calzones are filled buns that were castrated young and grew to unusual size because of the hormones.

good belly laugh from this one

This was a wonderful, amusing debate that I was thoroughly enjoying, then it turned left and drove off a cliff and I can't stop laughing now.

@kneelingwoman.bsky.social

I really have nothing to contribute here other than the declaration that I would like to arrange a dinner party with you all. I'll be preparing my Grandma's dumpling soup, with dumps made from cereal.

So… matzoh ball soup, then.

Basically

honestly this people in this thread I know would be great dinner companions I’m in

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