Alex Remington: Agreed, but I'd still argue your critique is of the object in a particular form factor. The social web makes us all worse (but still, admittedly, some significantly worse than others...)

I need to write the whole piece about this, but the thing to understand is that the NYT is now just Facebook. The platform dictates narrative to normies, is totally gamed by the right, and is still so ubiquitous as to be unavoidable even by those who see how broken it is. It's just Facebook.

I'd offer a slight nuance – I think this is more true for the NYT's *web presence* than it is for the NYT. The print paper has a fairly different set of emphases. That said... I grant you that when someone tells you who they are, believe them, etc., so it may be a distinction without a difference.

Sure, but that's sort of an irrelevant artifact at this point.

Agreed, but I'd still argue your critique is of the object in a particular form factor. The social web makes us all worse (but still, admittedly, some significantly worse than others...)

ask 1000 people across america how they access the times. it's inappropriate to think of it as a literal "paper" first

I don't think of it as a literal paper first! I just don't think of it as a literal website *only*

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