Cooper Lund: I know that a DSA endorsement means a lot for campaigns because they put their whole asses into doing field work for you, but at a certain point you have to wonder if the calculus for candidates changes given how big of a liability the DSA can be

I know that a DSA endorsement means a lot for campaigns because they put their whole asses into doing field work for you, but at a certain point you have to wonder if the calculus for candidates changes given how big of a liability the DSA can be

I’m starting to think the DSA does not have our best interests at heart

It's just such a bummer. The 2016 Bernie campaign gave the Left electoral legitimacy for the first time in my lifetime and the leadership of these orgs seem to be content to piss that away and go back to being cranks. Such a lost opportunity.

These leaders don't *want* electoral legitimacy. They want to be cranks.

I've been working for 30 years on a farther left agenda within the dem structure and I just want to take some of these younger, very passionate people, and show them how much farther we've come from the era where a full 70% of dems were basically just republicans

infuriatingly they'll still *say* dems are just republicans. they are "progressives" who neither observe nor appreciate progress

It's a huge miss because much of the Left platform would be broadly electorally popular!

But in order to realize those achievements people would have to engage in coalition politics with people that they disagree with, and I guess that's too hard or something.

with legitimacy comes value to grifters and they flocked

sadly no, it's humbugs and clout vampires all the way down

If only it was the cool kind of vampires…

it's never the cool kind of vampires :C

True… America got Bella Legosi after he was part of a failed Hungarian Communist Revolution.

you can sometimes get leftists to stop yelling at each other to yell against something but it’s really pretty difficult to get leftists to converge on a constructive plan in detail

Sometimes I wonder why we don't see anywhere near as much of this on the right, but then I realize: the right seeks only power and control, and solidarity despite differences is the way to get that; the left seeks to solve actual problems, and everyone has different priorities.

Yeah I think this is a good succinct description, like on the right it's just vibes and nothing specific, and also they are of the mind 'everyone for themselves' so they don't really care about each other, so it makes it easier to ally as they're not really invested into each other

They just want to set the environment to their preferences, and then everyone will sink or swim and they don't care about sinkers

I think we underestimate the number of bad actors pretending to be “leftists”.

It's almost like everyone who was offended by the Bernie Bros was right

I'm personally pretty far to Bernie's left. I also like passing bills and building coalitions, and I'm not getting into bed with these fucking people.

You should Log Off

Man, shut the fuck up

Yeah ok fair

Not the time, etc

Like, I am very specifically talking about DSA leadership which is very different from people who joined to try to keep the momentum going. You gotta be able to separate those two.

You know, that's a pretty good point. Ok logging off

💯 The Tea Party took their moment to create actual power. The Bernie left squandered it.

seems a bit location dependent. where I live (Boulder Colorado), the local chapter works hard to support candidates but often candidates will not publicize the endorsement because it's seen as not helpful or potentially fringe / harmful

Shocking for the Snowden wing.

Look, do we need to have so many *literal* examples of "Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it"?

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