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If you want to know what the Founders thought about the proper role of religion in government, they left us an owner's manual. It's called the Constitution. It only refers to religion three times, and every time, it makes it clear that the Founders wanted it far removed from the government.
This lawyer keeps insisting the Ten Commandments were a very, very important part of the founding but offers zero proof (because there is none) He finally says, well, Moses is on the SCOTUS building -- built in the 1930s! -- and yes, he's there, but so are Muhammed, Confucious, Hammurabi ....
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1. No religious test for office holders -- a huge rejection of the kind of theocratic government the religious right seeks 2. No establishment of religion by the federal government 3. No interference by the federal government in individuals' decision to worship or not worship That's it!
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If the Founders had wanted this country to be a theocracy, seems like they probably would've mentioned it in the actual Constitution, right? Or if they spaced on it, maybe in the Bill of Rights a few years later? Oh, but you found a quote from one of them in a private letter? Cool. Cool cool cool.
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I found a letter too. To Danbury Baptist.
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Serious question. Would the Constitution prohibit the re-establishment of religion by the states? Seems like this SCOTUS would just like, gesture towards New England in the Early Republic and call it a day
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Clarence Thomas has been making noises about this in his opinions. His theory is essentially that 14th amendment incorporation against the states neatly skipped over the establishment clause, and so states are still free to do whatever.
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True Originalism™️ is scouring the diary of a long-dead slaveholder who wiped his ass with a corn cob.
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I recommend comparing the US Constitution's preamble with the preamble of the Confederate Constitution to get an idea of what the inclusion of religion looks like so one can recognize its absence.
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The latest one I've been hearing is "One of the Supreme Court justices appointed by Madison in 1811 wrote a letter to the editor saying we're a Christian nation" ergo therefore and so....
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Seems perfectly consistent with the originalist stance on legislative history (touches earpiece) wait you’re not going to believe this
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One wonders if there were historical patterns associated with state religions in Europe that might have given the founders pause.
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Who can say?! It's a mystery lost to the ages!
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It's a good thing that Supreme Court justices are so well equipped to address questions of deep historical analysis, as there does not appear to be any other profession able to handle this important task.
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Do these answers fit in a meme? Has to fit in a meme or it's not real. Also, is there any history before 2016? Seems like that's all the farther back some people's history books take them.
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'70s-In grade school on Long Island me & Jewish students refused to do the pledge because the teacher said God meant Christian God & when I got called to the principal's office with my parents instead of getting in trouble I after got rewarded ice cream AND THAT IS THE CONSTITUTION RIGHT THERE
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Feels like the "or not worship" has been tossed in a ditch along the way.
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Gonna get nitpicky here, but it's important. The language of the Establishment Clause is: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" I'd say that's a lot broader than "the federal government may not establish a religion." (1/2)
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Theocrats want that clause to mean "the federal government may not establish a state religion". But it's OK to support religions that already exist (i.e., American Protestantism) Historically, it has meant "the federal government may not give any kind of endorsement to any religion". (2/2)
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"Establishment" can mean the process of establishing a religion, or it can mean any organization that's been established. Theocrats prefer the former meaning, since it gives them a giant loophole to elevate Christianity. But it really means the latter. (3?/2)
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Kevin we all know the point is to just lie and keep saying the lie. They know the history. They know they have a foothold now, which they funded, and they can be mask off, they are relishing in it.
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