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Some perspective on SBF's 25 years. Under the Feds, you have to serve ~85% before you're eligible for early release. That's ~21 years. That's a lot longer than ppl convicted of murder and sentenced to life have to wait for parole eligibility in many parts of Europe.
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In the Netherland, ~99% of all sentences are for under four years. Twenty-five years--well below what the DOJ wanted--would be a staggering sentence. In W. Germany (in 2009, at least), 92% of sentences are under 2 years, barely 1% hit 15.
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If SBF's sentence somehow seems "short," it's only because we use long sentences to an extent other countries simply don't. This CCJ graph on %-of-ppl sentenced* to 10+ yrs comparing US states to foreign countries is striking. No country comes close to us.
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* Important caveat here: the CCJ graph is percent *sentenced* to 10+, not percent who *serve* 10+. Many states have parole processes that are far less stingy than the Feds'. The Feds are unique, even within the US, for long-sentences-for-everything + really-stingy-release.
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Anyway, if anyone posts anything like "SBF only got 25, which is too close to [X] getting [Y] for [less serious crime]," the takeaway should be that X got punished TOO MUCH, not that SBF got punished TOO LITTLE. Our sense of perspective is absolutely mangled in this country.
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Our prison system and sentencing are broken. However within the current system, SBF got off extremely light. He could have got 100 years, prosecutors asked for 50. I don't believe he is going to be the breakthrough where suddenly sentencing becomes more reasonable for everyone. He got off light.
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Bernie Madoff died in prison 12 years into his 150 year sentence
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Yes, American prison sentences are way too long. -and- Federal judges have too much discretion when sentencing. For example, as with SBF, white collar criminals--especially well-connected/well-off white ones--seem to get *relatively* lenient sentences compared to the guideline recommendations.
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I would be curious to see this broken down by crime. E.g., how much of the disparity is driven by our war on drugs?
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Almost none. Median time to release for drugs crime is abt 1.5 yrs, up from ~1 in the early 1990s. It’s mostly driven by violence, homicide in particular.
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This is true, but its also true that white collar crime leniency didn’t start with SBF, and criminal law sentencing reform doesn’t need to start with SBF.
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Why does the US average, in gray, include only 40 states?
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Data limitations. The Bureau of Justice Statistics dataset they're using doesn't get full participation from state DOCs.
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Turkey is a US State? (Same color)
Well if Georgia can be, why not Turkey?
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Now I understand why people say Turkey is not Europe.
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Has this always been the case? If not, do you know when the US became an outlier?
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US incarceration growth starts around 1972; prior to that, our incarceration rates were slightly higher than those in Europe and Canada, but comparable. But not sure about sentence length--we always had long sentences, but also had really aggressive parole/releases. Then the parole part stopped.
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Reagan years and Clinton years.
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Lotta lifers from the "just say no" era
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A proposed sentence of 110 years is ridiculous, it brings justice into disrepute. They might as well call for him to be turned into a newt.
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Anyone see the statistical crime here? (Also this policy is against Jesus and we should change it)