Diogenes of Snarkadia: What police and CPS? If your kids aren't jabbed, kick them out of school

A lot of people look at the implacable and irrational unpersuadability of antivaxxers and kinda conclude "ah there's nothing we can do except let them win" instead of the correct conclusion that we need to force them to get their kids vaccinated against their parents' will

We had a test of this theory during COVID and among the groups that actually were forced to get vaccinated, most "reluctant" people just got the shot with only a few holdouts. Didn't even take a very big stick in a lot of cases!

Democrats control a lot of state legislatures! bsky.app/profile/thew...

I want to achieve that, but I think those victories are going to be hard to get with legislatures

That's true, but it's not unanimous even among Dems, and they don't like doing things that will get people mad at you even if they're good and popular.

I also don't love using police and CPS more

What police and CPS? If your kids aren't jabbed, kick them out of school

That’s a different form of enforcement, because it remains possible to not vaccinate your kids

It's a known-good solution that worked for decades; your kids have to be vaccinated to register for school.

So you’re not wrong—this enforcement isn’t airtight—but it is overwhelmingly effective. Most people’s anti-vaccination stances crumble in the face of any real hurdles. Some small percentage of very committed people will homeschool, yes, but it still addresses anti-vaxxers as a public health crisis.

I'm not sure I understand the objection. Isn't the goal to prevent transmission at daycares & schools? If they're not there, mission accomplished.

Just do it at school and damn parental permissions.

Theyd home school

Dart guns.

Or ban homeschooling by uncertified numpties.

More difficult than you might think, especially when "religious liberty" is factored in.

So what? Possible ≠ likely. Simply passing a law requiring it, or even local schoolboard policy, will get most to comply without further enforcement. Especially in public health, that's a huge win. You don't need 100% compliance for significant improvement.

Cool, now they're forced into homeschooling where their abuse will just become worse

But they can't infect other kids

This still doesn't do anything to help the kids of the anti vaxxers who now will have even less of a chance of escaping their parents brainrot

Okay but the primary purpose of these rules is to protect the vast majority of students and frankly I think you underestimate how much of a burden being banned from school has on families. Unless you want to do something way more coercive there’s not much to do about homeschool kids of anti-vaxxers.

My point is they should be forced to vaccinate the kids or the kids taken away Same goes for the type that wont take their kid to the doctor and instead just insists on "Praying" when they're sick

I honestly don’t support loss of custody outside of severe circumstances so I just don’t agree. Sorry!

They would not view that as a punishment and the homeschooling ppulation would explode

This is just not true. Multiple states (New York California and Maine) have closed loopholes for school and vaccination and anti-vax types screamed absolutely bloody murder each time. If you would like to point to any studies that show an increase in homeschooling due to vax policies share.

Michigan has no requirements for homescholing, parents can simply pull their kids for any/no reason. There's not even a requirement to submit a plan of study or curriculum. It's strongly recommended that parents do that, but they don't have to.

Okay Whitmer and Michigan Dems should fix that. They have a trifecta after all.

Yes, for the first time in 40 years. This issue is important, but they've got A LOT on their plates right now and not much time to do it.

Well that’s on them for not prioritizing better lol.

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