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Full opinion from the Oklahoma Supreme Court holding that the state's approval of an explicitly religious Catholic charter school violates the separation of church and state under the state and federal Constitutions (via @mjsdc.bsky.social) s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24...
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Oh this must be because all the infowars creeps are currently out in LA haha
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Very glad they make it clear that it’s a state constitution violation, hopefully inoculating it against the SCOTUS christonationalists
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OK, so now we know one of the decisions we'll be waiting for *next* June (I'm slightly kidding, but only slightly)
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I was thinking the same thing. Would the decision be the same if it was non-denominational “Christian” school.
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"Non-denominational" should be in quotes as well, as those are almost always "informal Bible Baptist."
Yep, “convincing suburbia you are not a Baptist Church” is probably the better description
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Yep, "Non-Denominational" as long as that denomination is old-testament, bible literal, manifest destiny, politically ultra-conservative (i.e. lost-cause regressive), fundamentalist, with full submersion adult baptism.
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Literally the very first thing that came to mind.. Baptists despise Catholics and a "regular" Christian school would have no issues
No one likes child molesters.
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Wait until you hear about Southern Baptists and cops.
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I may sound Boomerish, but even with my kids, the 90s. If someone wanted their kid get full on religious school education, they paid for it.They also drove their kid there & back. Religious teaching? Church Sunday school, Synagogue or wherever but not in public school. Not tax payer paid.
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The vast majority of Catholic schools are not explicitly religious, either. Normal Catholic schools will not require students to participate in any religious aspect of the schooling offered. This was likely from an extremist sub-sect. (Several of which have since been excommunicated.)
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There were Lutheran and Jewish students at my sister's Catholic school when I was growing up. They were treated equally and neither forced nor denied the ability to participate in religious related functions, excluding certain Catholic sacraments (confession and communion.)
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Where are you getting these ideas from? This school is sanctioned by the Diocese of Tulsa and the Archdiocese of Oklahoma City, this is not some rogue operation. And mandatory theology classes and crucifixes hanging everywhere at all "normal" Catholic schools seems pretty explicitly religious to me.
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I specifically stated that was my family's experience with Catholic schools. Yes, crosses and other religious symbolism was present in all classrooms, no religious education was not mandated. There are extremists in the Catholic Church who do otherwise. Several US Diocese are run by them.
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Still more extremists have been excommunicated recently for fundamentalism, ultra-conservatism, pushing of theocracy, heretical "Manifest Destiny" belief and forcing religion on others. This is not to mention prosperity gospel and other heretical beliefs.
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Pope Francis has defrocked and excommunicated more Church officials in his term than any previous pope.   Coincidentally all of them were ultra-conservatives (even the pedophiles and those who covered that up, as that behavior seems very much inclined to ultra-conservative clergy.)
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Sadly the US has an unusual number of such Bishops and I don't expect it sorting out any time soon.
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Exactly how many Church officials in America has he defrocked and excommunicated? As far as I know, he's dismissed one bishop in recent memory - and he definitely was not defrocked or excommunicated. It is still extremely unusual to defrock or excommunicate a bishop (in America, at least)!
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I was replying to a post that made a claim about the "vast majority" of Catholic schools, not about one school. I could believe that there's some Catholic schools out there that are not explicitly religious and don't require religion classes, but it's ridiculous to claim that's true for the majority
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I hope the Oklahoma constitution is really good on this subject because where the US Constitution is concerned the current Supreme Court made it very clear they support state funding of explicitly religious Christian schools. And I wouldn't put it past the Supremes to override the OK Constitution.
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Wow, great to have some good news in this area.
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NYT would probably report this as an anti-religious-freedom court decision. But cool! Bet it gets appealed quickly.