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In France, the left coalition comes in first, Macron second, the far-right third. The best way to defeat fascism is not centrism, it’s a strong left.
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The easiest lowest effort way to defeat fascism is just by showing up and putting an X in the right box. The other alternatives are much much harder - that’s why the far right puts so much effort into demoralising the opposition and suppressing the vote. They’re freaking terrified of democracy.
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Much harder, but they keep working, unlike centrism which cannot hold on beyond one or two elections before folks leave in disgust.
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do you have something personally against Tony Blair?
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It might take a few hundred megabytes in pdf format mind.
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he was just following the evidence that fit the case how is it his fault? [/sarcasm]
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Also I do, because my family is half from Britain at least.
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Fun fact! We don't have Xs nor boxes. In France, parties have to print their own ballots and deliver them to polling locations. We put the one we want in a little envelope and the rest to the garbage (where they belong)
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you are describing macron's centrism
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putting an x in the right box, why did we peasants not think of this?
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But it was a center+left *coalition* that won this
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This. It was left-center solidarity that carried the day and beat back the fascists. A lesson for us in America.
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a lesson for more european countries too /i hope we all learn this one
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And both of them, to a greater or lesser extent, had to be pulled into it kicking and screaming. Macron himself pretty much refused!
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No. It’s an alliance between the center & the left. Both sides working together to defeat fascism.
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Indeed, I think the hard left were excluded. Sensible moderates and social democrats working together to make a decent future is never going to be sexy, never going to win Bluesky approval. Kids - It’s called compromise, it’s difficult, it’s hard work, and you’ll learn about it when you’re over 25
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It included the communist and socialist parties.
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Ryan, have you actually been following any of this closely? the NFP - a coalition that, as Siobhán mentions, includes the socialists and communists - is the one that's been doing the hard work, with the "sensible moderates" only grudgingly joining up once they saw how bad Macron had played it.
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I was bemused the communists were included, but co-operation did not extend (for personal reasons?) to Melenchon’s France Unbowed.
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yes it did, they're the biggest party in the group
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In France, both are moderate parties.
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thankyou, that makes a lot more sense now, I hope some of the people dunking on me read your post!
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The Socialists haven’t been hard left in France since before Mitterand was elected. The communists know they only have influence in a left alliance & unlike the DSA crowd in the US behave accordingly
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I don't think you can usefully map any of this onto the US political situation where you only have flavours of the same two parties.
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that’s the next one to worry about, and it’s still (worryingly) wide open
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It’s interesting to me they hated Melechon more than the communists but I don’t know the history behind that - is it a personal beef? sorry boeuf?
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Yes it did, but the centrists attempted to freeze out France Unbowed.
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That was Macron's lot, though - the alliance that got the most votes is left to hard left, and it does appear they did the heavy lifting in the election.
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“Macron’s lot” stood down over 80 candidates didn’t they? Between them and the leftist block, working together, they have beaten the fascist threat. Let’s savour that for a moment before we get back to haggling over what happens next.
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I’m in my forties and I’ve watched compromise allow the far right surge.
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The left coalition allied with centrists, pulling out third-ranked candidates to avoid splitting the vote against the fascists. If they hadn't done this, the fascists might have a majority. So the lesson seems to be that the best way to defeat fascism is for leftists and centrists to work together.
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isn't that oversimplifying it a bit? didn't the left (and center, but less so) strategically have candidates drop out to thin the field and avoid splitting the vote?
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Assuming the strong left and centrists can play nice to form a coalition. Otherwise you wind up with a Germany in 1932 situation.
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A strong left (agreed) that can usefully campaign and govern in coalition with the center-left and center if it’s not in a position to win on its own (also important!) even understanding that the centrists may not be trustworthy allies.
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I will be doing my part this November. 👍
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I'm all for a more left leaning candidate, but not an anti-science Kremlin defender
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Good, because she is none of those things. 👍
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> said that wifi "should not be exposed to children's brains" with zero actual reasoning or scientific evidence > running cover for the invasion of Ukraine by Russia ("provoked by 'expansion of NATO'") >Saying she would want Snowden in her Cabinet
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The invasion happened due to a coup ran by the US back in 2014. I am sorry if that is hard for you to deal with.
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ah yes, the American institution of the Maidan People's Union
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Wait... the lady that had dinner with Putin, then asked for money for a vote recount, didn't do the recount, and then didn't give back the money? That lady? Uh, no. No thank you. At least Nader had the decency to not come back as a candidate.