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NEW: Rudy Giuliani has been disbarred in New York www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad1/c...
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I'm getting the impression it's not easy to disbar somebody and takes *forever*. Which is probably a good thing as you're taking away somebody's livelihood, but I agree it seems like it's taken too long in this rather obviously deserving case.
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Lawyers are sort of by nature called to do lots of extremely unpopular things on behalf of their clients, so the bar for the bar to disbar them just because of public outcry has to be pretty darn _firm_. But unfortunately, many bars have confused that with making the bar _high_. Two different things
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Yeah I mean no one is saying that lawyers should be disbarred just because of public outcry. All I'm saying is that we should make it a priority to investigate and once we determined that an ethical lapse occurred, shitcan them so fast their heads spin
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If they did that, so many judges & prosecutors would be out on their ass in a heartbeat, but then state bars would lose their legitimacy & influence, which they derive primarily from money & political power first, professional consistency second. It like a union & a monopoly both.
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I would use the word "guild" here.
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I feel like NOT punishing ethical lapses is what makes an institution lose its legitimacy.
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From who? The people who ultimately practically decide its legitimacy are all members of the bar: non-lawyers don't get a say in it. It has de facto legal authority but not really any public accountability. It's not great system, but a lot of the alternatives seem worse, tbh.
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From the communities lawyers serve??????? Like lawyers dont exist for lawyers they exist for people. Same as every other profession?? Like if your professional association has no ethical standards why should I trust anyone who is a part of your association??
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Like the whole point of HAVING professional ethics is to ensure your profession has public trust, right?
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Some would argue that a major point of having professional gatekeeping is to raise wages/fees/salaries. It's even worse in the law, of course, because unlike w/ doctors, there's no objective outcome like health to measure quality against, just the say-so of folks w/ a motive to obscure & arcane.
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I feel it goes both ways. Not punishing ethical lapses is bad. Allowing retaliatory witch hunts is bad. You have to hold the line clearly and firmly.