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"Unilateral" is an interesting way of characterizing no-fault divorce proceedings. Marriage is a really a civil contract, and as we learned in law school, contracts are made to be broken. Instead of citing irreconcilable differences, we should just be allowed to move on.
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"Unilateral" is a much better term than "no fault" for the type of divorce discussed IMO. > A and B are legally married. B wants divorce, A does not. 1. "Unilateral" - A has explicitly no right to stop this 2. "No Fault" - Suggests that nothing done by A might cause this decision by B Fuck #2.
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Divorce is definitely a legal contract. If it's not "unilateral" then we are saying that one party has power over the other party and it's effectively a form of ownership. Idk why this has to be explained to people. It's about both what words mean and what they imply / how they make people feel.
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Thank you for articulating what I was thinking. I was thinking what "unilateral" and "no-fault" implies in situations where there is a serious threat of domestic violence.
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The idea of marriage as a legal, breakable contract is really really new, in a historical sense. Before unilateral/no fault divorce, it was an agreement that could only be broken under very restrictive conditions, backed up be severe social stigma.
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When conservatives say they want to repeal unilateral/no fault divorce, what they mean is they want to roll back the idea of marriage as a breakable contract.
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I've heard multiple people talk of women deemed "crazy" so they could be put in an asylum till they died while their husbands went and married someone else. The law didn't *say* that men were more allowed to unilaterally end marriages, but
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It depends on the time period and the country. In England&Wales, before 1859, a couple needed a specific Act of Parliament to divorce and it was basically impossible. After 1859, a couple could divorce for adultery, abandonment or cruelty.
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Also has multiple implications for property ownership
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Divorce is not “breaking” a contract. It is legally terminating it. My great-grandfather broke the contract by abandoning his wife and child. My great-grandmother, with considerable difficulty, petitioned a court to terminate that contract.
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Any data on women's association with bears?
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I'd think that suicide rates of women near bears would be pretty low all things considered
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Yeah, I'm not surprised that there is a drop, but 20% is enormous
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At some point I absorbed a factoid that after no-fault divorce way fewer *husbands* were murdered, but the rate of wife murder (always much higher) didn't shift much. Now I am wondering where I got that.
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I swear I have seen a study that said that. Though I don't think it was phrased as husands, just men.
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Don't think it was husbands recorded as murdered, think it's a drop off in "accidental" deaths But I don't know where I got it from either
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This is the weirdest Mandela effect. I know I've looked it up before. Maybe it was just deaths and murder is throwing off my search. I'll poke at it again tomorrow.
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i am positive i’ve seen this too but in anecdote form i’ll look too but please flag me if you find something!
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I also got sucked down this rabbit hole and found that in Iran the difficulty of getting a divorce without the husband's consent has contributed to a spike in husband-murdering: webarchive.archive.unhcr.org/202305221456...
UNHCR Web Archivewebarchive.archive.unhcr.org
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Just means the ladies are still killing us regardless.
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I know you're just trying to make me feel better and I appreciate it
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just a weird unrelated data anomaly i'm sure
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What is "unilateral divorce?"
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It is more commonly called “no fault divorce”
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Which sucks, IMO
"Unilateral" is a much better term than "no fault" for the type of divorce discussed IMO. > A and B are legally married. B wants divorce, A does not. 1. "Unilateral" - A has explicitly no right to stop this 2. "No Fault" - Suggests that nothing done by A might cause this decision by B Fuck #2.
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Ok but you see the downside of this when the guy I’m responding to didn’t know what the study was about
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Then they can learn and not expect to be catered to, especially when they decided to ask a definition question instead of looking it up. Sounds like a them problem, not a downside Self-examine why their easy to self-handle confusion is a concern to you relative to erasure of patriarchy in law terms
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I’m not looking to be catered to. I saw a term that I’d never heard before. I looked it up in a search engine and didn’t find an answer, so I asked here. It’s not a downside, or a problem. It’s me wanting to learn something.
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Before no fault divorce didn't they have to come up with a reason even when both parties wanted a divorce. (Though I guess if both parties want it then it's pretty easy to contrive an uncontested reason.) So maybe no-fault and unilateral are slightly different.
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A major but undercovered conservative policy goal is removing no fault divorce because they think women are property, unilateral is just an academic way of describing it rather than using the American colloquial term
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That either one can demand divorce. Through history, and in some cultures today, the woman can not demand it, while the man can.