New York State of Good Repair: Guy who ran as a relatively popular third party candidate in 2000 and siphoned enough left votes that Bush won

holy fuck i can’t think of anyone i want to hear less from than ralph nader

Who's Ralph Nader?

Guy who ran as a relatively popular third party candidate in 2000 and siphoned enough left votes that Bush won

important addition: guy who told his donors that he wouldn't actively campaign in the critically tight state of florida and then did exactly that

Guy who also borrowed the "not a dime's worth of difference between the parties" line from rabid segregationist George Wallace

YIKES

That whole Florida situation was fucked up in so many ways but specifically the “butterfly ballots” DEEPLY radicalized me on the importance of UX design.

I DID NOT KNOW THIS PART! I was alive for the 2000 election but too young to know the specific contours

I also did not know the so thank you

nader is actually *more* to blame for a lot of what's broken now than he typically gets handed. not all of it, obviously, but definitely not none of it, either.

Same!

wrong reason.com/2016/08/03/r...

No, Ralph Nader Did Not Hand the 2000 Presidential Election to George W. Bushreason.com More than 12 times as many Florida Democrats rejected Al Gore in favor of Bush than they did for Nader.

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 Technically the court did. But that would not have been necessary if not for Nader. I was there. Actually in Florida.

did you read what i posted? more democrats defected to Bush than Nader.

But why would that mean Nader didn't on net take away liberal votes from Gore, just because conservative Democrats voted for Bush?

Like I live in NYC, pretty much every conservative is a registered Democrat so they can vote in the primaries. The Republican party will usually get more Democrats votes here then any third party in presidential elections That doesn't mean a third party can't attract voters who would go for the Dem

lol if its the case that every registered Dem who voted for Bush is a secret republican, why did Clinton handily win florida in the previous election?

...because Gore lost Democratic voters to Bush. a very large number of them, much more than Nader "took." if Gore hadnt lost them, he would have defeated Bush easily. That is on Gore and the Democrats, not Nader. if 0 Dems voted for Bush, you could pin the lost on Nader. but they didnt.

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