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holy fuck i can’t think of anyone i want to hear less from than ralph nader
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Fuck everything about his smug misogynistic ass. He was ever thus
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"Gonadal politics" is the line that just makes me hate him so very, very much. In part, because it proves his dumb ass doesn't understand the ways that gender and sexual orientation are ALSO part of "class politics." Fucking learn to walk and chew gum at the same time, Ralphie Boy.
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Honestly surprised he’s still alive
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he wore a seatbelt
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He's going for the Full Kissinger
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`noam chomsky enters the chat`
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it wouldn't be a welcome addition, to be sure
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Genuinely surprised to hear that he's still alive.
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My very first thought too. What are he (and Grassley, and other animate mummies) still doing here? Shuffle along.
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There’s a dude who deserves some sort of lifetime achievement award for being reviled by both the Right and the Left.
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Any member of The Left who doesn't revile him has no actual leftist ideals, they're just oppositional shit-stirrers. Nader has spent the last decade calling for rule by benevolent billionaire oligarch! Even when nominally on the left in 2000, he deliberately screwed the Green Party from the start.
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I love how he primarily blames Hillary Clinton. Like what the fuck man. He just can't help himself .
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patient zero for at least partial responsibility for this whole fucking mess
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"what if I told you a crusader for consumer protections would tip the domino that led to the presidency becoming an absolute monarchy?"
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"Also, consumer protections would take a giant hit after the administrative state was effectively nullified."
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Surprised no-one's done this one yet.
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man, if you'd told me how this would go down in 1990 I would not have fucking believed you.
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People say that but it’s not like a Gore presidency would have meant all rainbows and unicorns until the end if time. There’s probably an alternate reality where pent up right-wing rage in 2004 or 2008 would have handed the white house to e.g. Gingrich and he would have nuked Iran or something.
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Guy who ran as a relatively popular third party candidate in 2000 and siphoned enough left votes that Bush won
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important addition: guy who told his donors that he wouldn't actively campaign in the critically tight state of florida and then did exactly that
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Guy who also borrowed the "not a dime's worth of difference between the parties" line from rabid segregationist George Wallace
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That whole Florida situation was fucked up in so many ways but specifically the “butterfly ballots” DEEPLY radicalized me on the importance of UX design.
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I DID NOT KNOW THIS PART! I was alive for the 2000 election but too young to know the specific contours
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nader is actually *more* to blame for a lot of what's broken now than he typically gets handed. not all of it, obviously, but definitely not none of it, either.
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🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 Technically the court did. But that would not have been necessary if not for Nader. I was there. Actually in Florida.
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did you read what i posted? more democrats defected to Bush than Nader.
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But why would that mean Nader didn't on net take away liberal votes from Gore, just because conservative Democrats voted for Bush?
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This statement requires an asterix.
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Half of the current SCOTUS got their seats as a reward for working on Bush v. Gore, a decision Nader is largely responsible for forcing. Of all the people with a right to blame Hillary Clinton for shit, he is last in line and needs to get back there I am saying this as someone who voted for him
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In 2000 Nader ran as a 3rd party candidate, taking votes from the Democratic candidate Al Gore. In FL George W. Bush defeated Gore by 537 votes; Nader had received 97,421 votes in that state. This, combined with other factors such as that Gore also lost his own home state of TN, led to a GOP win.
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It would have been brilliant of me to end that previous post with "... led to the election of Barack Obama" but with people on here being like they are just now, that would have been unwise.
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Which led to the election of Trump. And here we are
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It's not somethg on which I could be flippant, but I do suspect that in the long-term view, an awful majority of what we've experienced goes back to that a Black man got elected President in 2008, and a vary large part of the USA viscerally, in their guts where fear lives, Could Not Deal With That.
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Historically unpopular candidate loses his own home state, gets fucked by the anti-democratic electoral college, Dem leadership blames everyone but themselves for this.
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The guy who helped get Bush elected.