Horrible news about the fascists. Only hope that the cult of personality nature of their party will cause them to be fighting themselves the whole term, but that doesn't change how many people voted for them.
Eh. Very glad the Tories are gone, the current Labour leadership are very bad on things they should be good on. We'll see how much was to get votes (and even then, eg throwing trans people under the bus for that is disgusting). To Be Determined, basically.
Speaking from across the pond, Labour's move toward the "center" (for want of a better term) reminds me of 90s Clinton-era Democrats making similar moves. Led to short-term gains, but at the expense of what should be core party values/ideals
And fwiw I’m not a fan of the Political Compass graphs for placing parties because the axes aren’t clearly defined for a simple read. The line between Left and Right is essentially Capitalism/Communism so almost all Western parties come out as Right which can be misleading
A lot of folks have that criticism of the method. I find it unpersuasive living, as I do, part of the time in a european country that has communist members of parliament
Conversely I find it an invaluable tool in understanding and talking about local (i.e. European nation level) political positions. Any framing that places UK Labour on an absolute left axis would be worthless, and a relative left axis is trivially true.
I’m not saying it’s not a useful tool. It’s great at doing what it’s meant to do. It’s just not good at quickly communicating what its information means to people unfamiliar with it.
I joked about Labour being in the center of the blue area but the blue area is pretty much mainstream UK politics
I’m not sure I agree, but to be clear I’m not in any way offended by you differing. It does the thing that it seems to not do well in *your* experience *super* well in my experience. Not doubting your testimony, just interested that they are so different. Maybe different audiences?
I’m just terrible at communicating. I don’t think we disagree on it’s overall usefulness. The difference I’m wishing it’d simply show what those axes actually mean so the uninitiated could quickly put things in context for themselves
When the dividing lines are Communism and Anarchy ( I’m being hyperbolic but you get the idea) then it puts all the information in a different perspective
Do you mean limits, rather than the dividing lines? The dividing lines (zero on the axes) are centrism. Anyway if it makes you feel better it works very well in the status quo fallacy case. I used it to help change a friend’s voting intention (labour to green) two days before the election.
