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"It caaaan't be the new section 28 because section 28 was for people that Bad Conservatives thought were icky in the 80s & 90s. THIS is for people that Good Conservatives think are icky NOW, it's compleeeetely differeeeeennnnttt"
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This is what I find so hard to understand: every elder Millennial/Gen-Xer around has lived through this propaganda and fearmongering before. We KNOW it’s bullshit! And yet people are swallowing this new line
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And don’t get me started on the TERFs
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You’re not feminists. You’re not lifting anyone up or protecting them. You’re just bigots.
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To the point that I don't use the term, because the F is a huge misnomer. You can't support far right groups, biological determinism and be anti bodily autonomy & be a feminist. They are simply transphobes. Usually they're very homophobic as well as misoge to The Wrong Type Of Woman, too.
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Oh, for sure. They’re all about nasty, reductive stereotypes, and they’re in bed with some vile people
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feminists don't send cutesie little tweets in support of matt fucking walsh, joanne. Yer a Maga-Adjacent Far Right Billionaire, joanne.
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I've also never met one who didn't - usually sooner rather than later - out themselves as a massive racist.
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Ditto: it sort-of made sense in the 70s when political lesbianism was a (bonkers) thing but it's become meaningless now.
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Political lesbianism just sounds like it would be horribly unfair on the actual lesbians, who presumably get stuck in sexless relationship with angry straight women?
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There's a special place in hell for the LGB crowd in particular, who lived through this themselves and are now intent on making trans people go through it.
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Aren't most of the lgb alliance heteros anyway? Esp seeing as how polling has shown LGB+ cis ppl are overwhelmingly in support of trans & nb rights, especially LB+ women.
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It was largely the brainchild of Ann Sinnott, who is a heterosexual woman with … ideas … about adolescents breast feeding.
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Ew, these are not going to be pleasant ideas, are they?
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At least a few of them are older gays who really should know better. The Grauniad seems to find them to interview whenever it's feeling particularly terfy.
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Simon Callow in particular sticks in my craw, he's one of them.
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That’s certainly my understanding. I’m fairly sure there’s a lot of biphobia from them as well
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“They’ll never go after me: I’m one of the good ones!” I’m sorry, but it doesn’t work like that. Your silence, as Audre Lorde said, will not protect you.
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I agree. It's all 80s homophobia recycled for trans.
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Section 28 caused me so much harm. Anyone who even remotely sees the limiting of information regarding queer people as a positive is an outright enemy. I have zero tolerance, zero wiggle room on this topic. It's infuriating to see history repeat itself like this.
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I’ve literally had this conversation with someone this morning and gleefully told him Sex Ed is still mandatory in Wales and I’m glad my kid will benefit from it
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Good families will, of course, fill in the gaps. But I know multiple peers who were sexually abused by men in their family when they were under 13. It is absolutely in the interest of abusers to entirely hand the sex education of their victims to them.
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One of my primary teachers was a paedophile. Perhaps he may have been caught earlier had we had education on consent and boundaries
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Maybe it has changed? but there is a longstanding tradition of parents not wanting to 'have the talk' with their children - Isobel Allen's 1980s research indicated they were relieved to hand off responsibility to education system. Maybe there are more resources available (if parents can access them)
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Some parents might not want to talk about it for entirely non sinister reasons. We got our kids 'what's happening to my body' books on puberty for if they didn't want to ask their mum & dad something, but always answered every question & encouraged them to always ask.
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Their aunt married a woman when they were little which made the talk about LGBT+ ppl really easy, and me talking frankly about being out as bi helped one of my kids realise they are Ace.
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But I'm sure we dropped the ball plenty of times along the way! Which is another reason why I'm glad of PSHE lessons - as, according to a poll yesterday are the vast, vast majority of brits - esp parents.
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Absolutely. First thing I checked when this started getting reported.
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I worry there's a strong risk certain people will start to do a Sensible, Grown Up re-evaluation of section 28 and ponder if it wasn't that bad, actually.
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Yeah, possibly, the way transphobia is a stepping stone to full LGBT+phobia.
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It's as though they're assuming all sex ed does is teach "tab A goes into slot B", nothing about respect, consent, and how people can love each other when they aren't opposite genders (nothing more than A and C are together, not what they might get up to in private).
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and meanwhile the actual Chair of the Labour Party is cheerfully talking to the fucking LGB Alliance.
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The UK Christian Right paid for by money from the US Christian Right, some truly puritanical and evil people.
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It would be amusing if it wasn’t so dire. Do people not look at the past and realise which side they are currently standing on? Do they think those that come after won’t be looking at them with contempt in the same way? Clearly abusing their power now holds too many rewards to consider their legacy.
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The Are We The Bad Guys Potential grows with every passing day.
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(1) presumably some of those 80s reactionaries were once on the progressive side of something, I wonder what that was (2) some of these Gen Z progressives will one day be reactionaries, I shall look forward to seeing what that's about
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Oh god, what've they done now?
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Times front page. Gvt S28ing trans kids & also banning proper sex education til THIRTEEN. Absolute nonce's DREAM. They're REALLY courting the paedophile demographic there
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Wow, aren't they? Colleague's had to talk to her 10 years old about porn because there's so much going round at school. Will no-one think of the children (being put at risk by lack of accurate information and proper safeguarding)!!
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