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The people have spoken. Sort of.
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I think there are plenty of good points to the parliamentary system but I also feel like you should have to win more than 34% of the vote to get a supermajority
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Yeah. That's not parliamentary per se, it's first past the post which is the same thing we have. But it gets worse on the disproportionality when you have four parties breaking double digits and first place is in the mid-30s.
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Though in a larger sense, even if it was PR, this is still the hypothetical left coalition beating the snot out of the hypothetical right coalition.
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yeah I've never been a fan of FPTP but its absurdity really shines in this particular scenario
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Unfortunately FPTP is like The One Ring of UK politics: whoever wins does a Boromir/Isildur and thinks "Maybe we shouldn't destroy it, maybe we should use its terrible power for good?"
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Lib Dems got played hard when they had their once-in-a-generation chance in coalition with electoral reform as one of their top demands, and then let the referendum be on AV (RCV) instead of PR.
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I always wonder what would have happened if Clegg hadn't gone full Lawful Neutral and decided he must go into coalition with Cameron because they'd won the most seats. If he'd entertained the idea of letting Brown pitch a Lib Lab coalition to him.
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The Trudeau campaign talked a big game about getting rid of FPTP, until they got elected with a majority.
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In fairness, the all-party committee made a complete hash of things, recommending a change in electoral system...and completely ducking the question of what thar system should look like. Which left the Liberals with two bad choices: impose a system, or just do nothing. And they chose nothing.
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That's how it is in Canada too. It's probably why we never got electoral reform, even after the last guy ran on that as a core part of the platform.
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I always remember my Politics A level teacher's take on it: 'Turkeys don't vote for Christmas!'
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I’m from NZ and still lived there when we shifted to proportional representation. Genunine game changer. We ‘tried’ (very badly) here in the UK but there was no commitment to it. FPTP remains so dumb though
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germany also has a really great mixed member proportional representation system!
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It is the worst possible way to run an election!
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The Danish system is like that. We always end up with at least two parties sharing power. Usually three. And once it was a four-way split to get enough seats to actually have a government.
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Unless I'm missing something, the only reason it doesn't happen in the US is because you only have two parties anyway
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Yes, the US system would produce the same sort of results if the vote was split that many ways. They're the same electoral system: single-member districts with first past the post.
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though it matters somewhat that they have 100k people per seat instead of 750k
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This is the second UK election in a row when the winning party got a lower share of the vote than Trump in 2020, and yet ended up with a massive, unassailable parliamentary majority.
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FPTP is an idiotic voting system. The Westminster system is fine and works well in a long a countries.
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agreed. but in this particular case, it kept Nigel Farage’s gang at 4 seats. so it’s good for something. sometimes.
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There's no such thing as a supermajority in the UK parliamentary system, just mentioning it as this has been one of my pet peeves over the last weeks.
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Sure, but the term is also used just to describe a very large lopsided majority even if there's no relevant procedural threshold like two thirds.
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In practical terms it is meaningless. In the context in which it emerged it was nothing more than a lie. Not harmless.
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I've noted the same myself, that there's no extra powers that get unlocked in the British system for getting beyond a simple majority. But is anybody actually confused about that? I haven't seen anybody suggest as much. They talk about in terms of strength of the political mandate, not legal powers.
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There is the practical reality of how much does party leadership have to accommodate the desires of its more marginal members. The bigger the majority the less they have to accommodate
That's why I get frustrated when folks complain that the US needs more than two parties. The trouble is in any population you're gonna get about 20 to 30% that default to "conservative" (ahem), more when times are hard. Fragment your coalition and you hand them power forever
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This is FTTP on steroids. Don't get me wrong, I welcome Labour to power and think they'll be a better choice for the UK and the world. But 1/3 of the vote getting you nearly 2/3 of the seats is... it feels wrong somehow. Even if I like the result.
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For me as a foreigner, it seems absurd that a party could get 14% of the votes and only 1% of the seats. How?
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It's a bunch of races for individual single-member seats and that party isn't concentrated enough to take first place in many of them, their voters are more dispersed geographically.
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The people have … ahem … murmured dissent
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For a real mind blower, look at the change in vote share. The parties with huge seat gains barely got any more votes
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Sounds almost like gerrymandering, possibly backfiring at the conservatives? or at the very least certain parties successfully focusing on particular districts.
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The other big parties didn't pick up, but the Conservatives were down 16 (or 18, i forget) percent. Voters didn't show up or switch, they stayed away in droves
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I'm sorry, wait, you can, as a UK citizen, vote sinn fien? That's insane.
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Only in Northern Ireland. And they don't actually take their seats in Parliament.
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Because to do so they’d have to swear allegiance to the Crown and, well…
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God, not the kind of performance vote wise I would have hoped for if I was Labour.