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California and its grid operator are grappling with a strange reality: There is so much solar on the grid that, on sunny spring days when there’s not as much demand, electricity prices go negative. Gigawatts of solar are “curtailed” — essentially, thrown away.
Rooftop solar panels are flooding California’s grid. That’s a problem.www.washingtonpost.com As electricity prices go negative, the Golden State is struggling to offload a glut of solar power.
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It is only a negative in a for-profit world.
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Also a problem in a “we want to keep the electric grid functioning “ world
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Not applicable here: the problem is not power overload on the grid, it’s that the power company can’t charge for electricity because people are making it themselves, which isn’t a real problem.
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It’s a problem if you’re greedy and want more money.
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and that many large power plants can't turn on and off quickly so they have to keep running, replacing solar - or that they'll go bankrupt if they don't sell power X amount of time and so they "have" to keep running to stay in business
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Generating plants aren’t just all on or all off, and power consumption varies widely in the course of a normal day. They also aren’t operating at the razor edge of business viability. They’re profitable, and which means they have more money than they need. This is industry propaganda.
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I'm impressed this conversation is still going on!
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I mean it’s a problem if that’s how the money to operate and maintain the electric grid happens
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reason #9349 utilities should not be privately owned or run for profit (also PG&E already doesn't maintain the electrical grid where have you been for the past five years)
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Sure but things are changing and so the people running things need to change to adapt to new challenges is an interesting story to read about regardless. Seems a bit boring to just blame any problems due to change on profits and capitalism rather that discussing the specifics, no?
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“We didn’t used to have much rooftop residential solar and now we have a bunch and people running the electric grid have to adapt to the challenges of that change” is a thing that can happen in everything from pure communism to complete privatization
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I didn’t “blame any problems due to change on profits and capitalism,” though, I blamed one specific problem that only exists under capitalism on capitalism. Interestingness isn’t the measure of validity or relevance; lots of true and pertinent things are deeply boring.
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If it is not profitable enough for a private company to operate a sustainable power grid that's a sure sign that it should be a public good
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It is recommended that one reads the article before commenting on the article.
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When they said gigawatts of solar power are thrown away, what do you think they meant?
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Are you saying it’s not a problem because they have that as a solution?
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I didn't 'say' anything. I asked a question.
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Is there more than one option for what it could mean?
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Return to your elders. They will know what to do with you.
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PG&E does not live in that world.
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even in a for-profit world, this is a win for every industry _other_ than energy
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It’s a problem because we cant store and transmit all the power that we are able to generate. It’s technical problem that we can solve but would exist under any economic system.
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[Every communist ever coming upon literally any kind of problem]: “Ah, i bet communism would fix this”