naomi comes across as a bisexual hacker who is too in awe of women to date them, but with terrible taste in men
i can’t decide whether this makes me feel seen, or attacked?
Miki and I never liked this show—Holden was garbage, Miller was incomprehensible, none of the other characters were sufficiently engaging—we made it through a season and a half due to so much enthusiastic recommendations, but remained bored and finally gave up.
What were your favorite parts?
there are some really, really great characters who materialize i think in season three? and i loved them.
holden and miller also get progressively somewhat less centered, for various reasons.
there’s a lot of world building in the first season and a half, but it’s more stage-setting than story?
For a while I thought I liked Miler and then I realized I like the CHARACTER, like “yeah this character fits” he’s a completely broken dude and I have sympathy for it, which I think, why I like his end (aside from the. £~%}! KISS)
we are at least supposed to hate miller
(i think we're supposed to)
((oh god what if they didn't make him insanely sad AND creepy on purpose what if they're just writing a guy they know and they dont realize))
(((oh no)))
Yessss, far as I'm concerned it is the Chrisjen Avasarala Show Starring Chrisjen Avasarala and featuring guest stars Camina Drummer, Bobbie Draper, and Amos Burton.
nope; i kinda feel like because Holden is the “main” character, it’s actually the strength of everyone else’s acting that neutralizes him enough for me to tolerate, if that makes sense?
I definitely agree with that take, as he shoves himself into situation after situation (even Naomi calls him out on it when he backs Fred Johnson in a argument with Dawes) all the while complaining that the whole world keeps landing on his doorstep.
my absolute favorite book thing that idk makes it into the show is holden spends like 1 book with nothing to do and goes out to the belt to interview belters to humanize them to the inners and a couple people are like "this is cool" but it does not otherwise really do much of anything
i think so. i feel like he's characterized a lot more like the audience is going to be on his side in the show, but i haven't finished it so i might feel differently once i do
I’ve watched some of the show and read some of the books and I just want to express solidarity with everyone who hates that dude, what a fucking dipshit
the entire first season centers way too much around a cop and a shitty liberal, and if i didn’t know drummer was gonna show up eventually, idk if i could watch it again!
I actually quit watching the first time because of him, and of the cop. But a friend told me it got really good after the first season so I tried again and yeah, she was right. But fuck Holden. And he takes so much space too.
My view of Holden is that he's sort of a parody of the hero protagonist - he moves the story forward by constantly making things worse with his choices (hence Avasarala telling him at one point "didn't stick your dick in this one Jim, it's fucked enough already")
