Faine Greenwood: It still goddamn beats the alternative and gives us way more levers to fight with.

The war is over. The bad guys won.

Well, Chevron getting overruled is really bad. www.cnn.com/2024/06/28/p...

Supreme Court overturns 1984 Chevron precedent, curbing power of federal government | CNN Politicswww.cnn.com The Supreme Court significantly weakened the power of federal agencies to approve regulations in a major decision Friday that could have sweeping implications for the environment, public health and th...

giving up entirely now is the one thing that will in fact guarantee that they win

On the other hand, the end of Chevron deference & the GOP ratfucking of the administrative state means that any future Democratic presidential victory is now only a Pyrrhic victory.

It still goddamn beats the alternative and gives us way more levers to fight with.

I agree but it means that it will suck to be a Democratic president for the foreseeable future & I worry how that will degrade the quality of candidates we get later.

It will and people pre-emptively claiming that that means "the bad guys one" will achieve nothing but making that dynamic even worse. Do literally anything else with your time and energy other than spewing self-aggrandizing doomer shit all over.

I agree with your larger point about doomerism, but you can't also be all "clap harder" when we have some very negative outcomes, as losing Chevron deference will be. As Gramsci said, "Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will."

I don’t think anyone here is saying anything even vaguely like “clap harder,” come on now

No, I agree with you that, all things being equal, Democrats are better for pulling the levers of the administrative state, but with the end of Chevron deference, we are going to have a lot fewer levers. I'm not trying to be doomerist. I'm just trying to have a reality-based responses.

On the other hand, if overruling Chevron is truly "not that bad," can someone please make the case for me that it isn't that bad? Because I'm very open to hearing that case.

what responses here are not reality based

Have you considered perhaps also working to get Dem control of Congress and state houses or are you living in that extremely common “leftist” alternate universe where the founders reacted against monarchy by setting up a dictatorial executive branch?

I don't disagree -- but this is literally the reality we are in right now and the #1 guaranteed thing that is not going to help is giving up. Successful protest movements and revolutions did not begin by everyone saying "The bad guys won, the war is over, we're all doomed."

People dog Dems (correctly) for being constant bed wetters but if they are bedwetters then leftists in online spaces are fully incontinent. Show some fucking determination! Get in the fight!

Seriously

Exactly

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