Robert Balkovich: It will and people pre-emptively claiming that that means "the bad guys one" will achieve nothing but making that dynamic even worse. Do literally anything else with your time and energy other than spewing self-aggrandizing doomer shit all over.

The war is over. The bad guys won.

Well, Chevron getting overruled is really bad. www.cnn.com/2024/06/28/p...

Supreme Court overturns 1984 Chevron precedent, curbing power of federal government | CNN Politicswww.cnn.com The Supreme Court significantly weakened the power of federal agencies to approve regulations in a major decision Friday that could have sweeping implications for the environment, public health and th...

giving up entirely now is the one thing that will in fact guarantee that they win

On the other hand, the end of Chevron deference & the GOP ratfucking of the administrative state means that any future Democratic presidential victory is now only a Pyrrhic victory.

It still goddamn beats the alternative and gives us way more levers to fight with.

I agree but it means that it will suck to be a Democratic president for the foreseeable future & I worry how that will degrade the quality of candidates we get later.

It will and people pre-emptively claiming that that means "the bad guys one" will achieve nothing but making that dynamic even worse. Do literally anything else with your time and energy other than spewing self-aggrandizing doomer shit all over.

I agree with your larger point about doomerism, but you can't also be all "clap harder" when we have some very negative outcomes, as losing Chevron deference will be. As Gramsci said, "Pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will."

I don't disagree -- but this is literally the reality we are in right now and the #1 guaranteed thing that is not going to help is giving up. Successful protest movements and revolutions did not begin by everyone saying "The bad guys won, the war is over, we're all doomed."

People dog Dems (correctly) for being constant bed wetters but if they are bedwetters then leftists in online spaces are fully incontinent. Show some fucking determination! Get in the fight!

Seriously

Exactly

I don’t think anyone here is saying anything even vaguely like “clap harder,” come on now

No, I agree with you that, all things being equal, Democrats are better for pulling the levers of the administrative state, but with the end of Chevron deference, we are going to have a lot fewer levers. I'm not trying to be doomerist. I'm just trying to have a reality-based responses.

On the other hand, if overruling Chevron is truly "not that bad," can someone please make the case for me that it isn't that bad? Because I'm very open to hearing that case.

Baby, as a wise woman once said, the rest is still unwritten.

who is saying it’s not that bad

Exactly. Saying things are awful at the moment does not mean that things cannot ever get better. History utterly falsifies that premise.

You seem to be arguing against people who are not part of any actual conversation.

Please look up what quote marks mean.

what responses here are not reality based

I don't know. I've read a lot of commentary before this that has signaled to me that the consequences of ending Chevron deference will be very very bad & now I'm supposed to calm down & think it's not that bad? How am I supposed to feel?

You are supposed to feel bad -- it is bad! It's okay to feel bad! But doomerism is misinformation. There is not a single person alive on earth right now who knows for certain what is in store for us tomorrow, the next day, next week, or next year.

no one is saying you’re supposed calm down and think it’s not that bad the only thing we are saying is that “it’s indeed very bad and it’s OK to feel upset and angry, but that doesn’t mean all is lost and we should give up now, either”

Have you considered perhaps also working to get Dem control of Congress and state houses or are you living in that extremely common “leftist” alternate universe where the founders reacted against monarchy by setting up a dictatorial executive branch?

You seem to have confused this single bluesky poster with a national political party. Rather than browbeat some poster on not doing enough to get Dem control of multiple congressional districts and states where they don’t live, perhaps direct that ire at a party that ought to be enacting some plan?

I have been But as one single voter I cannot by myself overcome the “can’t be fucked to show up for interim elections and vote for offices” factor of the “I can’t vote unless the candidate is perfect” left

I'm a Democratic voter, not a leftist 3rd party voter. I just think the end of Chevron deference & the rise of an imperial Supreme Court will make it much less attractive to be a Democratic president & hence reduce candidate quality, but I don't think all is hopeless & I will continue to vote Dem.

I also vote in city council races where I vote for the progressive wing of the Democrats. I will only vote 3rd party in a city council race if they're viable, but some are. I generally vote Dem for anything above municipal level.

The “it’ll reduce candidate quality” argument is bonkers to me The actual JOB of the president as laid out in the constitution is 1) CiC 2) affirm legislation passed by the body that actually holds the power 3) diplomacy The Chevron decision is awful, but not because it touches any of those three

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