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The left went all the way to sacrifice candidates to keep the nazis out. The macronites much less so, macron in fact tried to ensure a Le Pen victory by keeping his candidates in, several dropped out against his wishes. "far left" wut, the no. 1 collaborator w the far right is the centre- right
The key here is that the far left decided they’d biggest enemy was the fascists, not the center-left. Hoping we can learn the same lesson here.
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the people who are actually far left don't even believe in elections and are not having these conversations with you in the first place
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There is this thing amongst so many people in the US who consider themselves normies where everyone left of Churchill is automatically considered Pol Pot. No buddy youre a full on right winger who thinks he's a centrist for some reason & that "radical" over there is what a normie looks like
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A fun thing I discovered when I moved to the USA is that political ideologies don’t map. Example: I was a Canadian Conservative so assumed I’d map to Republicans. Uh, nope. Americans have the same problem; watch their faces when you tell them Brexit was hidden under fake concern for NHS funding.
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Same here - mostly a PC supporter when I moved south and found the Democrats slightly right of me. Of course since Reform took over the Cons it’s a tad different now I’m back. Can’t assume between countries
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Seriously. I know radical leftists and they stay out of the voting discussion completely -- sSome do vote for harm reduction given the American system they and their friends have to survive in, but they do not really discuss it publicly.
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a radical leftist who voted and admitted it would lose so much face amongst their peers they might as well walk in there wearing a "tax the poors" T shirt
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For real, it's the equivalent of a film student who really loves the Saw movies. Nothing actually inconsistent about it but you better do the thing in disguise.
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If you want to see a leftist squirm ask when the last time they mailed their reps was.
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This. Also people who claim to want to imitate/venerate Churchill need to look at his track record a /lot/ more closely. Not least: he switched parties twice, annoyed everyone and spent 10 years in the parliamentary dog-house before gaining support and becoming PM.
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It's crazy to think that I already know who I'm going to vote for in every federal election of my life, just because I can assume the GOP is never going to field a candidate worth considering.
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Centrist parties always play this card - look you *have* to vote for us, this is no time to support those crazy lefties, we have to stop the extreme right. Sometimes it works! It worked on me in a federal election once. But it's *always* 'leftists have to come to the centre' not 'we must go left'.
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'Get closer to our position' is not actually compromise, is I guess what I am saying.
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Macron’s party had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the alliance and even then made a lot of sus comments that make people worried about what side they’ll be on in government building. Wild to see American takes chastising the “left” in this!
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we're past rewriting history. rewriting the observable present is in.
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Ok, but you’re never going to get a ny times column if you criticize centrists (from the left anyway)
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This is not quite right. Macron vacillated yes, but his PM Attal pushed out over 80 candidates & while the center was not as fully committed to stopping the RN as the left, most of it was.
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Also, two years ago the only person left of Les Républicains who refused to call for his voters to back Macron to defeat Le Pen was Jean-Luc Mélenchon