I will be straight up, considering the United States’ behavior towards refugees fleeing persecution, I’m not sure that Americans who try to do the same shouldn’t have their passports flagged and be asked to leave.
But ESPECIALLY if you try to flee to a country USA has interfered with.
On the one hand I don't like the American notion they can just jet-set to another country and think they can just do that
but on the other hand I don't like the logic here - Syria has treated Palestinian refugees from the Nakba abominably but does that mean Syrian refugees should be treated poorly?
I am talking strictly about USA, which acts as a world police, which destabilizes governments, denies their refugees, & has enabled many of the conditions that have led to the plight of Palestinians.
I am not flattening situations I’m less informed about in a way that views them all as the same.
ultimately I don't like this conflation of the people with the government
if there is a civil war in the US the people fleeing would ultimately be people who weren't in the halls of power - it's not like former Nazis fleeing to Argentina - so I am inclined to mercy
I get you and we share many of the same views, they just diverge in how we parse them.
I view Americans with the privilege to leave as generally complicit in the global disaster that we've & settling elsewhere often more akin to gentrification.
Leaving US but bringing Americanism is bad.
"Americans with the privilege to leave are complicit"
Dog, this is just vengeance at this point. We shouldn't navigate life with vengeance as a motivator. It's simply not productive, you're arguing for eye for an eye.
Plus, doesn't the status of "refugee" as opposed to simply "immigrant" imply that the individual in question is fleeing with basically just whatever they can carry? What's "privileged" about that?
It's kind of fucked up either way, kind of hate how "privilege' has become a 4-letter word.
Yeah that's kind of what I was hoping to do, trying to get my shit together and save up to get into Canada or somewhere in Europe probably through the school route so I can help friends get in when the time comes but it seems like things may get expedited a bit. >_>;;;
See I get you, I do. But I really really don't vibe with "let's punish Americans because they're unwillingly complicit." I'm black trans and queer. My family wasn't brought here because we wanted to be. Being an unwilling participant is one thing, but that seems cruel.
I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm saying to punish Americans, because I'm not.
As a Black American myself who is privileged enough to be able to leave I'm not sure where I would go that doesn't hate Black Americans or other marginalized people though. But I do think settling elsewhere may harm locals
I don't think it has to harm locals. There's a way to properly integrate into other cultures without slathering it in Americanism. I have seen a couple friends who were privileged enough to leave do so. They may face issue being black and ex-American, but that's as far as that goes.
Ghana is having tensions between Black American ex-pats and locals.
Also, Nigeria is having tensions between Algerian ex-pats and locals, especially in the culture industries.
American ex-pat community problems aren’t exceptional because those type of community issues are normal across the world.
I'm not saying everyone that moves does so in a way that's beneficial to the culture they're moving to. I'm just saying there IS a way to move and do so respectfully. I'm also guess it depends greatly on where. I just don't think "fuck all Americans, they can stay and rot" is cool.
If you think Palestinian Americans fleeing the USA because of what is going on because the USA is genociding us and we need safety and to escape America and like over 99% of ALL refugees fleeing the USA to ever exist we hate Americanism your basically just giving some right-wing takes on refugees.
I’m in that boat and don’t think that’s what he said. When I get to whatever bougie Arab expat enclave in Latin America I end up in the last thing I want is a bunch of Americans following me there.
What I think he misses is that the world is full of expat communities from shitty counties. Americans just have zero exposure to working/living internationally as a thing people who aren’t wealthy do as a normal thing.
I think it has more to do with culture than wealth. In Latin America/the Caribbean a hallmark of at least a solidly middle class neighborhood is kebab and kibbeh restaurants but Americans don’t go there, they go to resorts. Trinidadians aren’t thrilled about rich Syrians moving there. Shits complex
I don’t think any local population loves their ex-pats, but Americans tend to fantasize/demonize living and working abroad in weird ways.
Not everyone can do it, but it is broader than “Be rich/skilled enough to get into Canada or Europe.”
I feel like then the issue is categorizing those types of individuals as “refugees” to begin with. Though even that has its own issues because, as seen with the history of Israel, refugees can also be implemented into settlerism as well. In general though, I don’t think restricting freedom of-
