I will be straight up, considering the United States’ behavior towards refugees fleeing persecution, I’m not sure that Americans who try to do the same shouldn’t have their passports flagged and be asked to leave.
But ESPECIALLY if you try to flee to a country USA has interfered with.
On the one hand I don't like the American notion they can just jet-set to another country and think they can just do that
but on the other hand I don't like the logic here - Syria has treated Palestinian refugees from the Nakba abominably but does that mean Syrian refugees should be treated poorly?
I am talking strictly about USA, which acts as a world police, which destabilizes governments, denies their refugees, & has enabled many of the conditions that have led to the plight of Palestinians.
I am not flattening situations I’m less informed about in a way that views them all as the same.
ultimately I don't like this conflation of the people with the government
if there is a civil war in the US the people fleeing would ultimately be people who weren't in the halls of power - it's not like former Nazis fleeing to Argentina - so I am inclined to mercy
I get you and we share many of the same views, they just diverge in how we parse them.
I view Americans with the privilege to leave as generally complicit in the global disaster that we've & settling elsewhere often more akin to gentrification.
Leaving US but bringing Americanism is bad.
"Americans with the privilege to leave are complicit"
Dog, this is just vengeance at this point. We shouldn't navigate life with vengeance as a motivator. It's simply not productive, you're arguing for eye for an eye.
Plus, doesn't the status of "refugee" as opposed to simply "immigrant" imply that the individual in question is fleeing with basically just whatever they can carry? What's "privileged" about that?
It's kind of fucked up either way, kind of hate how "privilege' has become a 4-letter word.
See I get you, I do. But I really really don't vibe with "let's punish Americans because they're unwillingly complicit." I'm black trans and queer. My family wasn't brought here because we wanted to be. Being an unwilling participant is one thing, but that seems cruel.
I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm saying to punish Americans, because I'm not.
As a Black American myself who is privileged enough to be able to leave I'm not sure where I would go that doesn't hate Black Americans or other marginalized people though. But I do think settling elsewhere may harm locals
If you think Palestinian Americans fleeing the USA because of what is going on because the USA is genociding us and we need safety and to escape America and like over 99% of ALL refugees fleeing the USA to ever exist we hate Americanism your basically just giving some right-wing takes on refugees.
I’m in that boat and don’t think that’s what he said. When I get to whatever bougie Arab expat enclave in Latin America I end up in the last thing I want is a bunch of Americans following me there.
I feel like then the issue is categorizing those types of individuals as “refugees” to begin with. Though even that has its own issues because, as seen with the history of Israel, refugees can also be implemented into settlerism as well. In general though, I don’t think restricting freedom of-
Counter-point:
International work - including to escape government notice - far more common outside the U.S.
American policy has limited this to corporate employees, but there are plenty of work visa schemes already.
Might also be a good time for NGOs to work on more paths out.
i'm sorry but this is fucked up
first, this would never happen
second, what about trans folks. the disabled. Black ppl. Japanese-Americans whose grandparents were in camps. and on and on and on
"hi, here's my entire history of why i was treated bad by America, please don't take revenge on me"
his take is incredibly fucked up, but after reading the thread created by people responding to him I also realize he horrifically poorly worded what he thinks and believes and as such it looks like a right-wing talking point. I think he made a horrible mistake due to the character limit on posts.
I'm sorry but as a Palestinian American whose grandparents were forced out of Palestine from the Nakba decades ago and whose relatives were killed in Gaza during the genocide this year... I think your take is really VERY bad. It's the hot take MAGAcommunists who love Putin made last year on TwitterX
If you're actually fleeing as an asylum seeker, then ideally countries will follow the international human rights law on this and actually give you a hearing.
But there are fairly specific criteria for who qualifies for refugee status. And most Americans won't.
Disability, history of mental illness, unemployment, lack of education, criminal record, there's SO MANY things a country will discriminate against an immigrant for, before you get to the part where they point to the "No Stupid Americans" sign and gleefully tell you to go back where you came from
I qt'd this, but I understand what you mean here as referring to committed expatriates who do not engage with local culture and see themselves as structureless missionaries of the American way. They definitely exist and buy up investment properties to recreate the housing crisis everywhere they go 🚮
