Very Very Common Mike Dunford: Y'know, I'm tired. I'm cranky. And at this point I think I might actually be more tired and angry with the defeatist shits yammering about how nothing works and nothing will work and doom doom doom than I am with the ones who have been actively breaking the system.

Y'know, I'm tired. I'm cranky. And at this point I think I might actually be more tired and angry with the defeatist shits yammering about how nothing works and nothing will work and doom doom doom than I am with the ones who have been actively breaking the system.

I tried voting that one time and it didn't magically fix everything, so there's no point in trying anything. You're betraying leftism by thinking otherwise... somehow.

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The damn nihilism is EXHAUSTING!

The people who feel like they should at least nominally be on your side can be much more frustrating than the outright opponents. Because you can convince yourself that the former are reachable much more easily than the latter.

Yes. Pragmatism is necessary -- doomerism and nihilism are not at all helpful. The world is not fair, never was, never will be. We must be pragmatic to achieve the highest degree of fairness that is possible. It will still be unfair but at least it won't be as abhorrent as it will be under 2nd Trump

Actual leftists are a small pond. We have to work with Dems. Besides, the right lumps both groups into one anyways. When Aaron Lewis was screaming WTF at his TV, he was talking about both Bernie and Biden. They tend to call them all libs.

When the party is radical it should work with others because if it takes power alone it becomes a fascist hegemony.

And I mean radical not in a value judgement way but in a political way. As in "small electorate"

Some of the defeatism is genuine, and we may need to gently prod and question. But when someone goes way out of their way to shame you for suggesting people try to DO something, that's sketchy. www.latimes.com/opinion/op-e...

Op-Ed: We're living in the age of naive cynicismwww.latimes.com There are plenty of concrete reasons to despair for our country, but we shouldn't confuse despair with wisdom.

I’m mad as hell and have spent the morning trying to channel that into something productive. Signed up to write 500 postcards to voters in swing states and called my senators (CO, both dems) to urge them to do something. Hickenlooper’s staffer agreed the senator should support scotus impeachment!

The nihilism is rough. I remember Sarah Z's Doomer video when the pandemic started. The one line that struck me is that the right would love nothing more than to have their opponents give up.

I hear that. I'm going to donate, work, advocate and vote - and if that's not enough, I'm going to keep doing that until enough people figure out that they need to do it too.

Yesterday was a day to despair. Today and onwards is time to be pissed off and do something about it besides pissing and moaning online about.

I keep having to take time off socials because the defeatists and doom and gloomers are driving me bonkers. Clicks are no worth the stress they’re causing people.

Honestly a big part of the reason I still spend about equal time on xitter. At least there the people I'm arguing with I don't have a to play nice with since they will never vote blue.

right there with you.

People get really nihilistic when things get rough... but really it's the last thing we need. We don't need fearmongering sensationalist reports, we need to vote, protest, boycott and generally be activists. Fight for our country, not the USA, but the people in the USA and our future generations.

I agree. I used the "Mad as hell" bit from the movie Network yesterday as a way to rile up. Lefties blaming the Dems more than Republicans is what the right wants because it promotes infighting and makes them look more united.

I feel like we also have the tendency to respond to hate with more hate... fire with fire... it never helps, just makes us more divided on both sides

Yeah. That's the most disheartening in all of this.

It's honestly heartbreaking It's like they want to drag as many people down as possible and I just don't get it

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