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So you can take what you want from the Exit Poll and certainly celebrate Labour’s success. But now it seems the UK has its own Trump and Freedom Caucus that will dominate debate because they shout louder than everyone else. Bad things start small. Let’s hope those figures change. #UKGE2024
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worries me a bit they eventually re-merge with conservatives, and what that power dynamic eventually looks like. But for today, at least, that is a problem for the future
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True. It will undoubtedly push the Conservatives to the Right though, very much like the GOP.
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I'm not sure that's going to be the case. The radicalisation of the GOP in America is at last in part down to the gerrymandering of election boundaries. Politicians pick their voters in the USA and it pushes them to the extremes.
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How much of the Tory party do you think will splinter off to libdems? Where else can they realistically go? They can’t stay in a Queen Braverman Faragiste party, right?
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The number of liberal conservatives is quite small. Many might think they’re better staying and fighting to moderate the worst instincts, like the centrists did in Corbyn Labour.
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35 soft right Tories defecting to the Lib Dems would be nice. But they aren't counting tactical voting into the exit poll...
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I can't believe France is ahead of UK by multiple years right now on this precise thing. Sadly.
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Take the time to enjoy the wins you can find. Otherwise you burn out before the next fight.
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I continue to think that Farage personally is an obstacle to that, because he just can't play well with others.
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I also suspect Reform will, as has been the case whenever they've won seats in other bodies, see a high number of expulsions and defections.
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They won’t merge with the conservatives, but only because the conservatives will move to the far right to merge with them first. All the Tory talking points are basically ‘we weren’t fascist enough’.
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Andrea Loathsome already banging the drum for "we haven't been RW enough"
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Going to hear that *a lot* from now on.
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And that’s why this doesn’t feel at all like 97
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Hopefully the consistent scrutiny that MPs are under will be bad for Refo - ah, never mind, just remembered the state of the UK media.
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I think we have to learn to live with Reform being in Parliament but we have had UKIP in Europe and the BNP in the GLA and they were surprisingly quiet and inactive. It's horrible but not catastrophic, surely?
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We’ll see. HoC is different to those two.
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I saw this Dr David Bull interviewed. He made a dig at Farage. Perhaps, he and Farage will be at each other’s throats vying for leadership. Infighting would lessen Reform’s impact.
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Yes, Reform aren’t really a party (they’re actually a limited company!), no unifying vision. They’re a collection of disparate individuals with their own grudges so I would imagine they’ll be at each other’s throats sooner or later.
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Rather sooner than later I suspect
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I thought the European Research Group was your Freedom Caucus.
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Reform have more out and out crazy.
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As an admittedly outside and intermittent observer, YIKES.
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Is it an age thing to have a list of public figures in your head that you're guesstimating the life expectancy of, so that you can come to terms with how long you're going to endure their bullshit for?
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Is there any way we can just kind of ignore them like a drunk yelling in the night? I mean in real terms they are still kind of irrelevant and the more you make them yell the stupider they’ll sound…
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I will be aiming to do that and I think the media should too.
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But you know they won't. Cheap engagement gets eyes. Or more of us just disengage
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That minute of euphoria has been evaporated, labour less than the percentage of the vote that Corbyn had and reform doing well.
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I think you should allow yourself a few minutes, a few hours, maybe a few days of being happy... (I also predict we won't see those numbers of Reform MPs tomorrow.)
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I can entertain multiple emotions at the same time! I’ve already factored in the Labour win. Now I’m focused on what’s to come and I see currents there that I thought wouldn’t surface on this side of the channel.
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Reform coming 2nd to Labour in the seats so far scares me profoundly. I fear a Starmer will pander further
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I never received any turquoise bigotry flyers
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I got a ton of adverts for them in mobile games I play
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Yeah, they did a massive buy on Google Ads in the last week
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"The real winner tonight is Reform"
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Reform just came second in Sunderland, so it could be a depressing night...
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Well, we already had; they were and are inside the Tory Party.