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a big takeaway from all of the Biden drama is that huge swathes of the public — including reasonably engaged people — think that political parties are a small cabal of elites who select candidates by hand
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Trying to figure out if this is downstream of Bernie supporters who still think they got hosed in 2016 and 2020 or the other way around
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this applies across the political spectrum
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I mean, "Biden should drop out now to save democracy" has big echoes of "Hillary should drop out now because only Bernie can beat Trump in the general"
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Hillary got 3 million more votes than Bernie in the primary. So, yeah, Bernie was a real fucking powerhouse.
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"This shitty candidate beat my preferred guy by 3 million votes" isn't the sterling recommendation you think it is.
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How was Hillary's presidency... Be honest.
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In fairness this is how it was pretty much done for most of American history
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Also US history is basically all taught as one person doing things so you can’t blame normies for thinking that’s how it works Heck Ginny Thomas thought / thinks there is some secret powerful cabal of “them” not realizing she’s IN the cabal
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Every accusation is a confession.
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Cigar smoke-filled backrooms describes the 1968 Democratic convention, as well as the legacy media offices which have refused to cover Trump and Epstein connections due to liability.
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It certainly doesn't help that a lot of members of the party and the media act like that is in fact how it works. Mostly by intoning that they can end careers and such but also partially with weird statements about what primaries are for and who they need to impress.
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Unironically think having nationwide primaries on the same day would help fix this
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It really sucks to be in one of the later states, kind of feels like the whole thing is rigged for sure
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I lived in NY and now NJ, two reasonably large states that have close to no say in who the presidential candidates will be due to how the calendar has been set the last several election cycles.
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Only immensely well backed and funded candidates would have a chance if it were national. It would basically be over before it started for everyone.
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Maybe even more than that, it’s how they’d like it to be in practice — they want *less* democracy!
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These cabals are called the DNC and RNC, as well as the affluent, invite only, hundreds-to-thousands of dollars - per - plate donor dinners, and K Street
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Remember Biden's "nothing will fundamentally change" clip? 😬
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It's a small club, but in a country this large the club is pretty capacious and as a result somewhat hard to manage.
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Eh "It's a big club, and you ain't in it" from Carlin seems to capture the state of things increasingly well. Also his explanation that 'you don't need a formal conspiracy when everyone at the country club has the same interests'
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Peter, you gotta admit the major players seem to only be multimillionaires from a VERY small clique certainly gives off the stench of YSL denture glue and Versace foot powder.
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Get a lot of this from Bernie campaign ghouls and disengaged doomer left types, ironically it hurts their cause because the story it tells is “why bother voting?” YOU COULD GET MORE OF WHAT YOU WANT IF YOU STOP MEMING AND START VOTING
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Why don't you want the same things? Or are you not really on the same team? You realize that progressive folk tend to be in the most voter voter suppressed areas and most suppressed economic class?
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One surprising takeaway from Trump's ascendance for me was this idea that the parties are cabals that control the candidates and that primaries are ineffective or rigged. The GOP loathed Trump, and he rolled over them on the backs of his voters.
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Which is sort of true, but not true enough that a party can change their candidate on a dime. There's procedures!
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They're bigger clubs than people imagine and they basically lost the ability to reliably do the hand picking in the mid 20th century, but the institutional memory is still there. I imagine most senior politicos pine for the days of more naked machine politics.
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Yeah. Commentators think they are still like Tammany Hall or something.
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Hey, at least back then you might get a couple of bucks or a meal or a beer for your vote.
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To be fair, they still are on the local, regional, and state level in some places, which are the minor leagues feeding up to local politics. And this is also basically how both parties worked until pretty late in the mid century.
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That’s what I took away from the 2020 primary. Though I think it’s less true when all of the competitive candidates are within the acceptable ideological range.
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People will never understand that VEEP is the most accurate depiction of governance in pop culture.
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When my mom and I gave talked about this she says things like “And if he drops out Bernie is under consideration”
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Ah, I have a friend who says that Biden is too old so they should bring in Bernie. I have tried to explain that he is OLDER and also had a heart attack but she says he feels younger so…
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He does seem younger though! He’s definitely sharper. Not saying I think he should run again
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God if only they were 1/2 that competent
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Like in a smoke filled back room, as it were?
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Considering the shaky state of democracy in the US, I am endlessly surprised that there is so little demand for electoral reform.
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It's not very democratic, is it?
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Well, what exactly do you believe? Are they right or wrong?
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I'm old enough to remember 2008, when THE political book you had to read to be a Smart Person was "The Party Decides." Obviously that was wrong but the people who absorbed it weren't stupid - this was the prevailing school of thought!
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Whether that's true or not, they do an absolutely dreadful job projecting that it *doesn't* work that way. 0 discipline.
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this is not even a little bit new. this has been the dominant narrative since at least 2016
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You folk need to stop acting like history started in 2016
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I wonder if anyone has ever written about how mass media plays into this
Honestly, we had better leaders when this was the case. ::Cries in FDR.::