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Prediction: Trump will argue that his NY conviction must be overturned because the court admitted evidence of conversations he had with his staff while President in order to prove knowledge and intent. He will argue those conversations were “official acts.” Judge Merchan and higher NY courts …./1
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/2 ….will reject the argument based on finding that those conversations were not official acts and that including it was harmless error. Trump will appeal from NY’s highest court to SCOTUS.
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/3 5 or 6 SCOTUS judges, who normally love harmless error like a 15-year-old-boy loves a tube sock, will find that it doesn’t apply to introduction of evidence of Presidentially-immune acts, and that the NY court didn’t analyze official acts doctrine right and remand for more proceedings.
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Exactly. Roberts put in a poison pill that means that the result of the trial will eventually be overturned by SCOTUS on appeal
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If it's Trump. If it's Biden, it will stand.
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Judge Juan Merchan moved sentencing to September 18 which means that Trump won't be able to appeal to SCOTUS before Election Day So, he'll have to run as a convicted felon
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He wouldn’t be able to appeal directly to SCOTUS anyway. I mean, unless SCOTUS were willing to ignore all procedural rules and norms or something.
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Watch them snatch it out of the lower courts because "emergency".
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Unlike the last time when they were more than happy to let it languish
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At this point, I'm just hoping Merchan will remand him and not stay execution of the sentence pending appeal, because we might as well get some prison time before SCOTUS hops in
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It's really hard to express my level of fury about this, given how hard it usually is to get my clients out of prison
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He has to go through the 2nd Circuit Appeal Court, and then to SCOTUS. Supervising Justice for 2nd Circuit is Sonia Sotomayor. Which means Trump won't be able to line jump That's why September 18th won't give him the time to appeal to SCOTUS
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No, I don’t think so. It’s a NY state case. It goes through the NY appellate system.
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And the NY Court of Appeals will make it clear that they will handle the case with the same speed and attention that SCOTUS showed in the previous appeal, which will trigger SCOTUS into taking the case immediately.
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No because after the NY Court of Appeals, it goes to NY Supreme Court. This is a state case.
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Trump : SCOTUS, WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO MEEEEE ! SCOTUS : We're coming Doney Honey ! There, there, everything will be fine. You will be o-kay. We will take care of the bad people who try to hurt you're feelings.
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rest assured, they will do exactly that
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Obviously, we are in uncharted territory, but what do you think are the chances of SCOTUS just announcing that the conviction is overturned? How much more brazen/ridiculous would that be than what they’ve already done?
They're institutionalists in the Bedlam sense.
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And what are the odds of that happening? (For those in the audience who need to be told this, and I know you exist, that was what we of Earth call "sarcasm".)
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[Ralphie Parker-ly] Oooooohhhhhhh Fffffffuuuuuuddddggggeeee
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so he would be able to, he will & they will overturn.
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The chances SCOTUS doing such a thing has got to be close to zero.
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The supervising SCOTUS justice for the 2nd circuit is Sonia Sotomayor. No way that Trump gets to appeal to SCOTUS before the election
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I can't bring it to mind but I seem to recall a case from recent years where another justice went over the supervising justice's head to get a vote on review.
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Yes. And @kenwhite.bsky.social says it will go directly from NY Appeals Court to SCOTUS and not through 2nd Circuit at all September 18th begins to look like it's barely late enough to run out the clock on Trump's appeal before Election Day
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Ho ho ho, it is to laugh is it not? Ha ha the very thought.
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It would literally have to go to NY appeals court and eventually NY Supreme Court. And people simply do not seem to understand this. Not to mention this is literally a state case, Not that SCOTUS fucking wouldn't love to get involved, but that's kind of an open question at this point.
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And they would never do that. Right? Right?
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So, ummm... how exactly did SCOTUS wind up hearing arguments a month after the election in Bush v. Gore?
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From a cert petition from a decision of the Florida Supreme Court, Florida’s highest court?
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Florida's supreme court has an alligator pool in the middle of the court. It's actually very nice, they have some wonderful aquatic plants in there
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Chess move. Ahead of the game. But not checkmate...
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Ha! We should move outside of the board, then. Alas, we are good people...
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Unless Merchan decides that the 'official acts' monkey wrench is sufficient to toss out the verdict.
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what gives you confidence that the whole thing won’t be thrown out?
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Like Trump vs United States, it has to have the veneer of being inside the law As @kenwhite.bsky.social points out, it may be NY Appeal Court, 2nd Circuit Appeal Court and then to Sonia Sotomayor who is the supervising justice for the 2nd Circuit. Only then does Roberts get a chance at it
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No, it still wouldn’t be to the 2nd Circuit. You appeal from the highest court of the jurisdiction to the Supreme Court. So whatever pretentious shit New Yorkers call their highest court straight to SCOTUS.
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We call it the Court of Appeals. I mean, in a brief moment of fairness to us, it kinda does what it says on the tin. Calling our trial court the Supreme Court, on the other hand...
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Which means that Sotomayor wouldn't be able to get in the way?
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She could vote on whether to take the case like any other justice. But the route is not through the Circuit.
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"Le Cirque-It Court" but only if you can't get reservations at Sushi Nakazawa.