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Biden loses youth and Hispanic vote outright in that poll
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1500 shut-ins we had to call 190,000 times can't be wrong and must be representative.
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We can just weight it! You can weight your way out of anything!
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you, unsophisticated: weighting me, smart, sophisticated: bro we're *modeling*
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you can reweight this stuff if you assume that the people who are not responding to the calls are uncorrelated with their polling answers. but if it's correlated, then you're measuring your instrument, not the thing you're measuring. i don't know how you fix that with phone polls.
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like "how can we measure this correlation?" "well, first we conduct another phone poll of the people who didn't respond to our phone polls"
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You don't. You're obliged to turn to a different metric, like election results, but that's not going to give you a reliable gauge given the small sample sets
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I think they adjust the weights after an election
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I’m gonna shout “I can weight my way out of anything!” from now on whenever my wife gives me that look she reserves for when I order a meal for myself that is meant to serve 6
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Smartest take of today
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Jesus Christ I knew it was bad but I wouldn't have guessed it was *this* bad in a thousand years and here they are just admitting it.
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as before I really would like to know how much the topline moves if you flip a single young Hispanic Trump voter in the sample
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I suspect the answer is upwards of a full point in margin and maybe upwards of more than that
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picture one dude, wearing the stack of his demographic weights on his back like Atlas
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There was a battleground panel poll in 2016 that had wild movement depending on whether a single Trump supporting black guy in Detroit was in the sample that week
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Starting to think some pollsters use an algorithm to measure social media and they think that number of posts truly represents general opinions
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Man I genuinely cannot picture an electorate materializing that looks anything like this. I just don’t get it.
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Like this isn’t “just throw it in the average” territory, this is “SHOW YOUR WORK” territory.
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we have measurements! they're called elections! they have normal variations year to year, even in times like this. what they're showing would be like if every measurement of something was 1 ± .2 and someone came in and was like "my new measurement show's it's 10".
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Plus just…the baseline is the last election because it was between the same two guys. What’s the argument for the electorate having changed so enormously in this way? It goes so against my perceived experience that I need an explanation.
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maybe you can argue that 2024 is totally different, but we have exit polls from the midterms and they were broadly consistent with 2020 and 2018. i mean, there's variability, but there isn't "the black vote is now split" level realignment.
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Yeah, why have special elections gone how they have, and why would the people that have made them go as they have somehow be ok with letting Trump win?
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Nobody with any sense or who represents an accurate sampling of the population answers phonecalls from unknown numbers.
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I do occasionally just to yell at them.
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I think the poll I answered in 2020 was from a 1-800 or 1-888 number. I usually don't answer unknown numbers, but that call somehow looked official enough that I did.
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this was my position then and it’s only intensified every day since: bsky.app/profile/esca...
like i generally try to find the most parsimonious explanation that aligns with the most data points but it just feels very, very hard right now to bring election polling, special/midterm results, issue polling, economic sentiment, and economic indicators all into alignment
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i’m well past the point where i have no idea where we are, where we’re going, what good strategy would be, and so on. flying completely blind on this from top to bottom.
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Cough bsky.app/profile/mcon...
I thjnk one of the most underrated stories of the election cycle is how every poll indicates Trump is making historic gains with voter demographics long hostile to the Republican Party while in every GOP primary he leaked 20-30% of the primary electorate to a candidate who’d dropped out
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2020 had the highest turnout by number and % in modern history but half of the Trump voters in that poll didn’t even vote in 2020? 😂
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not quite, just that trump is winning 2020 nonvoters by 50/28
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Got it. Maybe there were a ton of Trump voters that didn’t trust mail in and didn’t make it to the polls bc they had Covid and were on respirators?
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Maybe flipping back and forth on these pictures is fucking with my head but is this estimating that 50% of registered voters who did not vote in the 2020 election are voting for Trump? Meaning they are either very young or 2020 wasn’t enough to get them excited to vote but somehow 2024 is?
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A guy named Nate who works for the new york times says it's gonna happen
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I haven’t been cursed with prophecy so who am I to say but man I don’t know
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Remember, Nate thinks that Black voters have moved R+35 in two years
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Well, "IF" they vote they'd vote for Trump.
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Those are half democrat. We count those.
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But 2020 was such a low turnout election!
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They really mean it this time, they're gonna show up for big man T
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Basically, I think (a) the polls might be wrong, but (b) we won't know until we know, and who the eff knows.