Max Berger: I think that’s a really weird take! I watched a man who says he’s the only one who can defeat fascism fail to complete sentences in a debate he called for. What disinformation is informing my judgement that he can’t win the election? I saw it with my own two eyes.

It really is making *me* feel crazy to see a bunch of other Democrat voters running around screaming about how Biden is now unelectable, on the basis of one bad debate and an incredibly obvious ratfucking campaign by America’s most craven newspaper.

I feel like treating Biden’s quite obvious and visible cognitive decline as a ratfuck and not something 80% of Americans and many members of Congress agree upon and are concerned about is equally weird! Reasonable people can disagree about the underlying reality, but there is not escaping the q.

It’s a rat fuck promoted by America’s most evil newspaper, and it sounds especially insane to me in light of how Trump is incredibly obviously incapable of stringing a coherent thought together.

Even if you grant that Biden has concerning cognitive issues, it is insane to conclude that Trump is an *improvement*

I do think we need to all be more active but I also think that going nuts at this stage is a terrible idea and the main focus is maintaining democracy. Any concerns I have about Biden are ridiculous given what you've already noted about Trump and how unhinged and ridiculous his "thinking" has been.

It's obviously a disinformation campaign at this point and I wish people would see it as such. It's not like we haven't been through them before

I think that’s a really weird take! I watched a man who says he’s the only one who can defeat fascism fail to complete sentences in a debate he called for. What disinformation is informing my judgement that he can’t win the election? I saw it with my own two eyes.

That part isn't the disinfo part. It's the chaos and rumormongering that is going to be used to get Mike fucking Johnson etc. into power once they push Kamala Harris out of the line of succession. It's also being used to distract everyone from mounting a coordinated response to the Supreme Court

Yeah, once they’re running stories about how Trump et al are super-scared of the Dems running someone other than Biden or Harris (as if that would even work, legally), it gets pretty obvious that there’s a chaos encouragement going on.

They are literally running stories on that though www.yahoo.com/news/house-r... thehill.com/opinion/camp... thehill.com/homenews/cam... www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/...

The Biden replacement who strikes the most fear into Republicansthehill.com Every Democrat I speak with believes their party is in serious trouble come November if either President Joe Biden or Vice President Kamala Harris is heading the ticket.

Exactly my point. And the GOPpers circulating them know exactly what they're saying.

Democrats don't seems to need help to do nothing about the Supreme Court.

Wait is somebody floating Mike fucking Johnson for something

No but the people floating Biden resign so Harris can be an incumbent going into the election but fails to note there is absolutely no way the house would confirm a new VP putting Johnson one step from the presidency.

I got a workaround, from Art.II s.3 [...] he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper [...] ...but it's a legit point.

Can Biden not legitimately turn over the campaign to Harris (and a VP TBD) without retiring the presidency?

can? yes should? absolutely not

Yes, he can.

He can not run for reelection and she could take over the campaign. She’s the only realistic Biden replacement. Other Mike Johnson fuckery he floated the 25th for Biden at some point in the last week. Probably due to the calls for it for Trump after Jan 6th.

I agree with you on several parts. Succession is something to worry about and cognitive decline isn’t worth discussing. My concern is the likelihood of Biden not completing a second term, the SC disqualifying Harris, putting Johnson in line. We should stop assuming things will be normal

his cognitive decline is directly tied to his inability to finish a second term oh my god go back to twitter.

It could be, but death, stroke, etc could also be reasons he wouldn’t finish a second term. There’s a lot of possibilities and no single one is worth focusing on when the problem is the SC and needing a candidate that 1. won’t hand them an opportunity 2. Will commit to throwing a wrench in their 1/2

gears. The cognitive decline seems like a distraction to me, and something that would be not as important if we could trust succession. I feel that makes insecurity about succession a more persuasive argument in this election.

I saw Simone Biles flub a vault in the Tokyo Olympics with my own two eyes.

Simone Biles isn’t president of the us. And no prior evidence of decking gymnastic abilities. Bad comparison. Need a new nominee.

shouldn't she be, though?

...then she withdrew from the team competition

"They’re taking black jobs now and it could be 18. It could be 19 and even 20 million people. They’re taking black jobs and they’re taking Hispanic jobs and you haven’t seen it yet, but you’re going to see something that’s going to be the worst in our history." My god, you're right. He's incoherent

It would be really bad if Biden said that. Oh, wait a minute.

I think it's totally fine to be worried about Biden's aging. I think there's reason to be concerned that this limits some campaign possibilities. But I also think there's no real reason to be worried about his ability to be president.

So like, he's clearly mentally normal, even if he is more likely to garble some words now, and ramble/lose a train of thought. The debate was bad! It's not that he's just like that all the time, though.

It's something to worry about in terms of getting votes by November for sure; there's no reason to play up the substantive, factual question about his capacity, and also the panic is wildly disproportionate.

he's *always* been a shaky speaker between his rambling and his stutter and we have known this for like, forever, the news loved to point out the latest thing crazy uncle joe said when he was VP and they never went "this fills us with dread, for he is a mere heartbeat away from being president" then

Brother would you vote for a sack of potatoes if it ran for president against Trump? I would. I think actually there are way more people that would, and call me stancilpilled but the negative reaction online drives the narrative more than - what actually is the truth of what happened -

Of course that’s not even remotely the question

You saw that he can't win a debate, and concluded he can't do the job -he's currently doing- what the hell do you mean he can't be president? He IS PRESIDENT

it sure would be cool if the blue no matter who folks would start demanding change from their party rather than admitting they’d vote for a sack of potatoes as long as it was a dem.

Yeah it would! 2028 will be a great time for that. Meanwhile, in the year of our lord 2024, in the USA, we have this. Just push the button, all presidents suck. Nobody has ever seen a truly good one. Stop trying to pick your president like it's your favorite taco bell meal deal.

I've been waiting since 2000.. It's not happening.

THANK. YOU. I have been voting since 2000 and I am OLD and TIRED lol

My first vote was for Perot. But I knew Republicans wrote hatred into their policy platform since 2000 amd immediately was Blue No Matter Who since Till 2016. I live in Texas. It's not happening!

Same question. Where is this amazing presidential candidate that everyone is overlooking?

Sounds like you need to find out whoever this perfect specimen of a leader is and make them fetch. Where are they? What person do you have in mind?

You should run!

You’re the one voting for potatoes

Yeah, because I live somewhere they're trying to throw legal naturalized citizens into jail for even THINKING of voting for potatoes.

lol what does that even mean

We can't have better. It's Biden or Trump and we have to just take it. Because anything else is uncivilized.

You can have better when they show up. When your presidential savior finally arrives I'm sure we'll alllllll vote for them Until they get here, it's Biden or Trump.

Lol you should try comedy.

I think calling it *disinformation* is inaccurate, but it’s clearly trying to lean into his poor debate performance to either manufacture consent for removing Biden, or otherwise trial balloon the same.

Then call it a right-wing influence op, or a narrative-aided power grab, I don't care what people call it as long as they understand how it works

I've had to basically create my own vocabulary over the last few years just to be able to talk about this, so if others have better descriptors they like better than my own have at it, as long as we all know we're talking about some total bullshit fuckery here

I think it all boils down to whether Biden still stands a chance of defeating a person we can all agree should never be in a position of power again. Biden performed badly. Trump showed us exactly why he is a danger to democracy & the free world. I'd vote for just about anyone that isn't Trump.

Unfortunately, those of us who clearly hate Trump more than Biden are not the ones to win over

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