Individual DSA chapters are better or worse, but there's nothing useful to be done through it that you can't do better either on your own or directly supporting a Democrat, IMO.
Chicago DSA is a victim of their own success to an extent. My progressive alder won with their backing in 2019, as did others. Now that the people actually interested in governing have power as Democrats, only the ragey radicals stuck with the DSA.
It’s possible to get a group of people who would really like drastic change together to work for incremental change but they’re not going to *enjoy* working with the system, unless they turn out to really be people who enjoy working with the system, in which case they will probably change orgs
DSA groups that aren’t spoilers are groups that, as you say, back Dems in most situations, which means that what you really get from being part of (non-dysfunctional) DSA is the sense that your literal comrades agree with you more on how things theoretically should be
And that isnt worth that much
But at some point people are gonna divide into “it’s better to make real change” and “I like my fantasies more then reality” and therefore “reasonable” DemSocs do in fact notch-filter out to basically just a meeting point where tankies and institutional libs intersect and learn to hate one another
I think what most sticks in my mind in an annoying “this is very juvenile to still bothered about” way from the 2016 primary where a former friend, in terminating the friendship because I was going to vote Dem even if it wasn’t Bernie, said I “used to be cool”
This country never had a labor-liberal split, so it's pretty irrelevant, and we should be reflexively suspicious of the people who think we need one for aesthetic reasons.
Also just generally, the whole cosplay-Communist complex seems to be transparently about replacing Girl Words like 'empathy' with Man Words like 'solidarity' much more than it's about real differences of policy, and I know where that shit leads.
Well and, now based on that Chicago DSA post about actively trying to disrupt the DNC and torpedo Biden’s campaign: quite, quite literally too dumb to live.
While they’re more modestly to the left i think, the Working Families Party in NY had or have a particular set up that i can’t name or explain atm. but iirc they could put their candidates on both WFP & Dem ballot somehow, and marking WFP supported their work while not spoiling?
So i thought perhaps while not structurally, at least in spirit DSA was the same: a sort of shadow coalition party aimed at pushing the official party to the left.
Not exactly, but close. I remember the debates over Jesse Jackson: he’s clearly not ‘of the left’, but is he enough ‘with the left’ for us to support him?
NY has an odd quirk (I'm also not sure of the details...) that allows multiple parties to nominate the same candidate, so WFP is basically the progressive base of the Dems here. Possibly the only good thing about NY politics. I think the Conservative Party does roughly the same for the right/GOP.
And also, this is all downstream of the NY State Democratic Party being abnormally fucked-up in so many ways that don't apply anywhere else in the country.
Fusion voting - it's really helpful imo because it means people can vote for the Democrat but on the Working Families line, which is a way to say "Democrat, but from the left". When there's 200,000 of those, the Democrat knows not to sidle too far right.
anyway, drastic vs incremental is a whole convo innit. the word “triage” comes to mind for This Crisis Now, but i get it’s like crying wolf for some, esp those who get tossed under the bus consistenly, to the point of they rightly or wrongly really DON’T see the difference-for THEM.
