Pwnallthethings: Not that many parliaments are doing a fantastic job globally right now either, tho I do have a soft spot for them

Supreme Court rules 6-3 American Revolutionary War was incorrectly decided

If that means a return to a parliamentary system of government for the US, I'd take it!

Not that many parliaments are doing a fantastic job globally right now either, tho I do have a soft spot for them

Our system is done and I think we need to stop pretending that there is something left to salvage. No matter what we vote in November it's clear we no longer operate under rules and laws and are no longer a democracy in any sense of the word. Time for us to accept America's 1st democracy failed.

Technically we’re already on our second. The first failed nearly immediately.

think you can make some non-trivial claims to there being a few discontinuities

colonial era != continental congress era != founding era != reconstruction era != preera != interwar era != cold war era != post-cold war era != current era; tho folks can draw the lines in different places

*pre-war era

(the value of seeing it this way is also a recognition that each generation gets to pick their own future; the United States is not tied to its past; it is shackled to it only to the extent it chooses to continue to be, not out of any inevitability)

I can't shake the feeling that the only thing that held our crap system "together" if it can even be called that was the unifying element of white supremacy, and a general majority agreement to do racist policies. I don't know if American democracy ever amounted to anything more than that.

I think it did, tho these are admittedly very dark times, and it's hard to see right now. But far more importantly: I think it can be a better nation, if we will it; one built on equality, dignity, and justice for everyone. And where elites and institutions failed us, we can and must build anew

I don't think that's true at all. Several times we have quite violently rejected that very issue and attempted to Re-Found without it. First with the Civil War and again with the Warren court attempting to make good on the promises of Reconstruction.

Even the founding era needs to be broken into the Articles and the Constitution.

ancient classical medieval renaissance industrial modern atomic information future

You are SId Meier and I claim my £5

Yeah you can make innumerable divisions that way. I just went by the number of constitutions we’ve had.

We have to think like the French. This marks the end of the American First Republic. There will be a hopefully brief Bourbon interlude, and then eventually an American Second Republic, by which time we may have learned some of the lessons of the first.

2016-tbd shall be known as the Whiskey Interregnum years or smth

I imagine something more like Rome, where the Senate allows a charismatic leader to assume dictatorial powers which quickly leads to the death of the Republic.

What we will likely get is an absurd patchwork of Iran-style theocracy, American capitalist corruption, an erratic leader who takes after Idi Amin, and the political and economic practices of mid 1970s Chile. Franco's Spain will look positively benign.

Hmm. 1848 & brutal supressions of all the hopeful revolutions in European capitals come to mind. (Good soundtrack with Les Misérables). Was France free after 1918? Mais non. The 1941 fall of the 3rd Republic was worse. Then Algeria & end of the Fourth. Look to France only for food & wine perhap.

Not to mention they’re turning fascist again as we speak.

... and then you're right back where you started

USA ON CUSP OF TYRANNY The Supreme Court's ruling that shields the President frm prosecution in office kindles abuse of power&erosion of democracy. Trump's return to the White House is worry for coups and death of constitutional democracy, rule of law&America's global leadership!

We didn't even learn lessons from WWII, what are you talking about

Pretty sure we're on at least #3 if you include the civil war as constitutional negotiation by other means. Honestly probably 4 if you look at the Roosevelt years.

The first wasn't even a republic, it was a confederation! (but you are right)

Well you said democracy and the confederation was that.

second republic baby!

Exactly! Trying to patch up this failed mess to limp along is doomed even if we survive the next 6 months. We need to accept that our system is shit and can't protect itself from its most serious threats.

Eh, it worked servicably for over 200 years. That's not a failure, but it's a shame it has to end so soon for such utterly stupid and entirely preventable reasons. My main concern is how the climate crisis says there's not enough time to establish a new and better nation.

Did it though? We never even came close to anything like universal voting rights. Sure we existed as a nation but now that it appears to be over I don't know if I can look back and say we ever had anything close to a representative democracy.

I think we are turning out the lights. We have one(1) shot at salvage and that requires winning both houses as well as POTUS. The odds aren't good

*laughs in south australia* ...where the state govt has just proposed a ban on political parties receiving electoral donations. Full stop. www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06...

SA government proposes 'world-leading' laws to ban political parties from receiving electoral donationswww.abc.net.au The South Australian government plans to introduce what it describes as "world-leading" laws to ban political parties from receiving electoral donations at a state level but concedes the proposed refo...

When we covered parliamentary system in my comparative con law class, I still as an arrogant American thought our system was superior. And oh boy, have I revised that opinion in the last eight years

They just seem less bad than the US presidential/electoral college system...

So much easier to replace the Head of Government.

And shorter campaigns!

I drew the argue for a parliament in the USA in a seventh grade debate, and stayed convinced that there's something there that we could use

The parliament of our former monarch in particular has done a particularly poor job if we’re going to be more specific.

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