imho “there are nazis on twitter” shouldn’t make you shame ppl for not abandoning twitter it should make you want to have a long hard think about why a lot of Black and Asian people still prefer twitter over bluesky
i like and use this site but almost every day i do i see wild, unhinged instances of antiblack and anti asian racism and talking about it does exactly nothing so tell me more about the racism on twitter and twitter only
Yeah people acting as if there wasn’t a harassment campaign to push Black people away from this site and then turn around and wonder why Black are still using Twitter, like come on man.
Tangentially related (and not to speak over this conversation) in October a lot of people who spoke about Palestine left- partially because Twitter was genuinely a way better place to get information (which isn’t really this place’s fault that’s just size) but also because of the… vibe
i honestly see this as directly related given the breakdown of people who are vocal about palestine (esp early on) and the islamophobia inside white liberal spaces too
Yeah like this weird dismissal of “oh we are on the right side so we don’t need more of this here” and like I’m not one for “all things all the time need to be doom and gloom” but also like do you even know what’s happening or what you could possibly do to help? I don’t know if I’m making sense
Yup. I look around at the demographics of people who have been speaking out for Palestine and the demographics of people either shouting us down either because they're Zionists or because they want us to just shut up and vote for Biden and it's painfully obvious.
I think I understand the Bluesky part, but isn’t that happening millions of times an hour on twitter? It’s got to be worse for the people the nazis target the most than it was for me, and it was unbearable for me.
a couple things: 1st, if you get piled on on twitter you still have a ton of your people to come back you up. that doesn't happen on here bc there aren't enough poc. 2nd, the effect of no one giving a shit about Black and Asian people is amplified more because this site is still smaller,
ppl still have a sense of there being a dominant culture here and unless the site gets much, much bigger that's not going to go away. 3rd, when twitter nazis troll you it's horrible but lacks credibility. here, there are nazis trolling you *and* a lot of white liberals who think they're good people.
white liberals who go ape shit if you point out maybe they did a racism, who will then get all their white liberal friends to flock to your mentions. the fragility here is off the charts and again, not unlike twitter, but much emphasized due to the size and the leading demographic.
White libs need to learn that when their racism is pointed out to them, ESPECIALLY BY A MINORITY COMMUNITY MEMBER, "fuck you, enjoy the camps" isn't the best response.
that last part I can personally attest to. People just, acted like the nazis weren't going to follow us here or that we did a good job keeping them out (the arrogance)? And Bluesky's not invite-only anymore.
i think some white trans folks here lose sight of this. if a transphobe says something to you here a hundred other trans people will descend on the motherfucker, and that's great, but it's a unique experience here that doesn't mirror for Black and Asian users putting up with anti/racism shit.
I mean, as a Black trans person, I've had white trans people descend on me over a lukewarm opinion and mild misunderstandings with white trans people, so not only does it not translate, but to PoC but it makes this space *more* hostile for trans PoC
and let's be real honest: being white shields me here. i can post what i said and the likelihood of people giving me shit is significantly lower than if a non-white person had posted it.
Hahaha the irony is I knew a couple other Black trans people who would've said the same but I don't think any of them are on here anymore for obvious reasons
I honestly don't know, but it *is* something I notice in every space that's "queer friendly". Once white queers get a certain level of comfortable, they punch down on QPoC with reckless abandon. I imagine it's "reclaiming power" with 0 willingness to interrogate how power actually works.
I am so very thankful and appreciative you notice that.
I might find support from some people when attacked by queerphobes... but I've often lacked support when facing bigotry from racists. This has resulted in a complex issue for me where I feel community as a queer but lack community for my race.
Yeah, that's what happens when you suffer in privilege, and then come out as marginalized later...you miss a lot of lessons and then the shit you just spoke of tends to happen. It sucks.
this has been my experience and just being on this site sometimes feels like i've entered an upside down world
thank you for posting this, though
we're stronger together
I've noticed Black people i follow leaving here for months, but I also feel like my own bad experiences on Twitter are less common here. The right takeaway has to be that we're not having the same experience, not that they're misunderstanding something
I feel like in my personal experience, I can avoid Nazis on Twitter & Bluesky by treating them like poisonous spiders and avoiding topics/corners of the app that would draw them to me. It's not foolproof, doesn't work for everyone, but it's much harder to avoid white liberal racism here or Twitter.
No, I have come across ZERO Nazis during my entire time on Twitter. Not saying they aren't there, but I damn sure don't spend my time on social media looking for people I DON'T LIKE. At worst, I would hear about the occasional sex pest getting outed and piled on, and there was a Black FGC Trump fan.
Being "not a Nazi" is an incredibly low-bar for anti-racist allies. Also the whole contempt for personal choices people make about which social media platform they enjoy? Why? because they're looking to have some sort of benefit/attention that they're not getting? Weird.
And to your point, I've been on twitter for 13 years, whereas I've been here for like, almost -A- year, and there's been way more bigot nonsense on my feed here than there EVER was on my Twitter feed. (Even though it showed up for me by way of people I follow discussing / fighting it, but still)
Absolutely this. I had curated my way into muting and blocking hateful content and didn't see much of it. I could control my experience much better. Here, I see people immediately whip out death threats in response to minor political misunderstandings every day & nobody acts like it's harassment.
I'm Filipino and Jewish, being told that people are relishing the notion of me being murdered in a death camp because I am guilty by association of ideological impurity was ABSOLUTELY received as racist hate speech on Twitter, that shit was a block and report offense communally. Here? Lol.
