Rune: Getting real tired of folks who act like saying you'd rather be shot in the foot than shot in the head means you're extolling the virtues and benefits of being shot in the foot, like, in general.

Holy moly www.washingtonpost.com/politics/202...

Sen. Mark Warner works to gather Senate Democrats to ask Biden to exit racewww.washingtonpost.com Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) is attempting to assemble a group of Democratic senators to go to the White House on Monday and ask that Joe Biden exit the presidential race, according to two people with dir...

Jesus fucking Christ this is collective insanity

I'd like to believe that but honestly I think it seems like Biden is too risky now.

I think they’re falling for a gigantic rat fuck both of mass hysteria, personally.

Agreed.

It’s a self fulfilling prophecy. Biden’s risky because everyone thinks he’s risky. We’re all in a Schelling tipping point game.

That I agree with. But it feels like Democrats aren't just freaking out because the media is freaked - they are legitimately questioning his ability to be reelected under these conditions.

Exactly. “Ability to be reelected” is directly linked to what everyone is saying about the risks of him staying in the race. Perception is creating reality.

But it's linked to the reality we all saw of him faltering at the debate. Beginning to feel like we have to choose between what they say or our lying eyes.

I mean, Trump is an insane felon rapist and a lot of people still voted for him. There’s no rule that says we have to honorably give a shit about if our candidate comes off as slightly addled, especially when we’ve got a perfectly good VP who can take over as soon as he makes it past the post.

Hey, I'll vote for a literal puppet on a stick if that's who the Democrats nominate. They can weekend at Bernie's him for all I care. But will everyone, is the question.

Yeah like Agree or disagree with him (I honestly don't know which camp I'm in yet!), I'm pretty sure that what's motivating Mark Warner of all people is genuine, honest panic that Biden isn't up to winning this election He's not someone who like, has axes to grind with Biden

I don’t think he has an ax to grind with Biden. I do think that jumpy Democrat politicians in the DC bubble aren’t exactly immune to mass hysteria.

The Times piece earlier in the week did have diplomats and foreign allies saying that, based on Biden’s performance in Europe, they would not trust him in the room with Putin. That sort of talk would be coming to the Senate Intelligence Chair from foreign leaders and diplomats too.

Which is a great reason to improve the odds of the guy who will give Putin everything he’s ever dreamed of.

Getting real tired of folks who act like saying you'd rather be shot in the foot than shot in the head means you're extolling the virtues and benefits of being shot in the foot, like, in general.

Okay but like You can understand that people might be concerned, as an electoral matter, if that's the best claim we can make for our guy?

I can. But I can also remind you that, A: beyond the metaphor, there are in fact some positive things to campaign on, and B: you don't have to buy the same things you're selling. Speak to your audience.

Ok but I’ve spent the past week around a lot of family & family friends who are all solid Democrats of the offline non-news obsessed variety and they don’t even think he’s fit to currently hold office, much less run for it. It is a hard audience to speak to right now, they’re furious.

Yeah, it absolutely sucks. Which is why a lot of this anger is aimed at the news sources who are relentlessly crafting that narrative.

But it’s people’s genuine first response to that debate, it’s not a narrative they’re absorbing from an external source. They saw what they saw, which was a man unfit to currently hold the most powerful job on Earth.

I do not buy that it's simply a widespread opinion arrived at free of influence or deliberately-framed context. The media has been pushing Biden = old for how long? Rather than reporting on what any of the stakes of this thing actually are. That's been a choice, and one that needs to be countered.

I mean I can make better claims! just when I see people saying "can't vote for a shot in the foot" this is relevant

Oh yeah I mean I will vote for him come hell or high water if he's the nominee I don't even know that I think he shouldn't be the nominee!

Maybe yall USians should really quickly get your shit together and vote for something different than the two right wing parties who are collapsing your country rn

*yes and* I have mad respect for the person who tries to wrestle the gun away instead of waiting for the pain

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