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Here’s why Biden is toast: in this situation, any candidate in Biden’s shoes would do a series of events (interviews, press conferences, town halls, etc) to prove they are up to the task. But, Biden isn’t doing that because he can’t. He’s not capable—and that’s not going to change.
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yeah, at this point the problem isn't the debate; it's the response to it validating everyone's concerns
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Except he did do a bunch of events? That night and the next day.
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none of which have settled folks' fears or moved the conversation onwards.
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Is that because the fears are well-founded, or do we agree the sky is falling if enough people shout it loud enough?
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I think when half your campaign and party leaders are leaking to the press that they're shitting bricks, and you're not putting it to bed with some urgency, there's a problem that's a lot bigger than a few folks on social media thinking the sky is falling
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Do you think the media covered Clyburn's statements honestly?
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Do you think the NYT, based on how they are currently acting, will reward Biden with better coverage if he, what, does even more live events and gives more speeches? Has anything about their conduct suggested to you that they care about reality?
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Has Joe Biden suffered a polling change more significant than Obama's post-debate slump?
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Is there any D candidate we expect the NYT would cover favorably against Trump? Would a contested process make the media focus more on Trump's fascism or less on it?
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If someone can provide evidence more compelling than "vibes" for Biden to step aside, I'm all for it. So far nobody has delivered. Maybe having a gigantic public panic attack after a single really bad debate is the problem. We will have more bad news days before the election.
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I think - and I speak as a low level local elected official - it's unrealistic and unreasonable to expect "fair" treatment from the press. Is it bullshit? Sure, but bitching about it is as much a solution as farting into the wind.
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Agreed. Who are they going to treat fairly instead?
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My education and experience prior to my election is journalism and PR. It isn't the right question, who will get fair treatment. The better question is how will you respond given the circumstances.
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the point is no one does and acting like you can get the coverage if you just did things right is not supported by the evidence
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Donald Trump freaks corporate CEOs out in a closed door meeting like, last week, because his brain rot is so bad and it only got covered by a handful of outlets for one (1) news cycle.
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wow. I forgot about this shit. Fuck the nyt
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Can I remind you about peddling the Iraq War, defending Judith Miller, working with Chris Rufo, mainstreaming transphobia, but her emails, but his black pastor, but the migrant caravan, Trump will concede, and the inevitable red wave?
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oh, truly. It’s more about me being blissfully unaware of most politics until 2016. Even then I was sure she would win. I’m from NYC and we were stunned and crying. I’ve aged considerably since. No longer unaware of the world and modern evil
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if it were just clyburn then we'd be in a different place
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One blue dog said Trump would win but still backs him, one crazy House D called on him to resign, and Pelosi said something ambiguous. What other actual concrete statements have been made?
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“Joe had a bad night, but he’s still our guy, now let’s talk about Trump’s fascism” should have been the unified message, repeated constantly, and that kind of coordination needed to come from the campaign within hours. Instead, we were left with scattered statements, some ambiguous.
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If you can’t reassure Nancy Pelosi enough to get her to say something non-ambiguous (the president still hasn’t called her!), then it becomes a campaign issue, not just a media issue. Playing the media is part of comms.
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I will hold the NYT in contempt for their coverage but it’s also a campaign’s job to push back on media narratives and create narratives of their own. Sulzberger wasn’t wrong when he said they can’t expect his paper to be part of the campaign.
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Would be nice if they weren't part of Trump's. The Democratic party does need a plan for dealing with the NYT, the paper has clearly decided it has authority to punish the party. Not a big surprise for the Chris Rufo paper I guess.
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Right. If folks want to say it's overblown, go for it. But the concerns here are plainly real, and plainly coming from a lot of folks who are concerned /because they are terrified of Trump winning/, not just trying to kneecap Biden or quietly pro-Trump folks, or a bit of a social media freakout
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Part of the job is being party leader, and that's gone and it's not coming back. The party is practically in open revolt against him and, perhaps even more justified, his abysmal team. Right or wrong, that's what's happening. It has snowballed incredibly quickly and will only continue to ratchet up.
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If your saying his campaign operatives suck and that Biden himself isnt helping. Thats one thing. But if you are in the boat of he does not have the mental acumen to run, then you have to say that you think he should resign today. This minute.
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(Coincidentally, this is exactly what Harris did in her excellent post-debate interview.)
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I have seen that said by his campaign consistently. The press has apparently decided to say otherwise.
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His campaign and the press aren’t the only factors. There’s also the party. Campaign + party can potentially out-message the press. Instead, we got the press + party against the campaign. That’s not sustainable.
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I dunno. The campaign stuff I've listened to is "Biden all the way!" So maybe they are talking out of both sides of their mouths. But if a push is being led by the NY Times, they absolutely consider themselves kingmakers, so I would be cautious about that.