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Here’s why Biden is toast: in this situation, any candidate in Biden’s shoes would do a series of events (interviews, press conferences, town halls, etc) to prove they are up to the task. But, Biden isn’t doing that because he can’t. He’s not capable—and that’s not going to change.
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yeah, at this point the problem isn't the debate; it's the response to it validating everyone's concerns
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Except he did do a bunch of events? That night and the next day.
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none of which have settled folks' fears or moved the conversation onwards.
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Is that because the fears are well-founded, or do we agree the sky is falling if enough people shout it loud enough?
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I think when half your campaign and party leaders are leaking to the press that they're shitting bricks, and you're not putting it to bed with some urgency, there's a problem that's a lot bigger than a few folks on social media thinking the sky is falling
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Do you think the media covered Clyburn's statements honestly?
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Do you think the NYT, based on how they are currently acting, will reward Biden with better coverage if he, what, does even more live events and gives more speeches? Has anything about their conduct suggested to you that they care about reality?
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Has Joe Biden suffered a polling change more significant than Obama's post-debate slump?
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I think - and I speak as a low level local elected official - it's unrealistic and unreasonable to expect "fair" treatment from the press. Is it bullshit? Sure, but bitching about it is as much a solution as farting into the wind.
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Donald Trump freaks corporate CEOs out in a closed door meeting like, last week, because his brain rot is so bad and it only got covered by a handful of outlets for one (1) news cycle.
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wow. I forgot about this shit. Fuck the nyt
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if it were just clyburn then we'd be in a different place
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One blue dog said Trump would win but still backs him, one crazy House D called on him to resign, and Pelosi said something ambiguous. What other actual concrete statements have been made?
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“Joe had a bad night, but he’s still our guy, now let’s talk about Trump’s fascism” should have been the unified message, repeated constantly, and that kind of coordination needed to come from the campaign within hours. Instead, we were left with scattered statements, some ambiguous.
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At the bare minimum, it shows he can’t get on the phone with his own damn party and tell them to stay on message, which just furthers the impression that he’s not fit enough to be behind the wheel.
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Because this needed to be on Friday morning after the debate.
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You didn’t even know he has been at rallies or is giving an interview on Friday, sir, come on
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You’re getting massively played, and you have a big following and it DOES matter. Think about the things you are saying
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There is also lots of space in between the extremely normal (and often correct) concerns about D-party comms and "this candidate needs to stand down so we can have a gigantic primary fight 4 months before the election."
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that is expressly not the point. at none of those events has he fielded questions. that's the point. yes, he's doing the interview on friday. if he does several of those, he can quell the concerns. but, the fact he hasn't has convinced lots of high level democrats he can't.
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Max, you’re a liar and you move goalposts and nothing he does will change your strategy
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Max is disingenuous. I havent seen anywhere where he has said Biden should resign today. If he is so unfit as Max keeps suggesting then he cant say that Biden is too unfit to run but its the k for him to be President a minute longer.
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Kelly, IF HE COULD, he could have come out TODAY, this very afternoon, and, 15 minutes into her torturous press availability, said "Karine, I'll take it from here; have a seat." THAT would put it to rest, but instead
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Uhhhhhhh which leaks, exactly? And how is this not "putting it to bed"?
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Remember when we found out that a super senior source close to the President was actually like a former assistant photographer?
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I sure do, but it seems like others don't!
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Your too-public panic attack is not POTUS’s priority. Log off for a few days. Chill out. Enjoy the holiday weekend. Check back on Monday. ✌️
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It hasn't even been a week and the (understandably) terrified parts of the Democratic party are covering themselves gasoline because the NYT says it will keep them safe. Literally touch grass, if polls are really bad going forward let's talk after everyone has counted to 10.
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I would frankly feel more comfortable if the situation is that Biden's getting ready to decide not to run & this is what the process looks like from outside than if he's staying in & there's just no discipline or strategy.
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The latter is McGovern's campaign in '72 (Look it up if you're too young to remember that fiasco). This is fully Biden's decision & the question is whether he or Kamala is going to be the candidate, other theories are pipe dreams-& worse than McGovern '72.
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Don't get me wrong. I think Biden is a truly good president and I'd vote for him even if he was dead. But he may be in a place where he can't win this election--he has to decide, any other approach would be a meltdown of the party at just the wrong time.
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Is the polling backing that up yet? Has he suffered a drop more significant than Obama's post-debate slump? Have most polls shown no movement beyond MoE? If everyone screams the sky is falling does that mean it is true?
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Most of the party leaders are in the same age bracket and aren't at the top of their game, either. Are they ready to 'step aside?'
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Whether or not they feel personally ready, most of them absolutely should step aside. This generation has been clinging to their seats for decades, keeping down new talent and consequently creating a very shallow bench for the Dems. They put ego over responsibility and weakened their party.
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Strom Thurmond got wheeled onto the floor until he retired at the age of 100, a few months before he died. Feinstein? Grassley? He's 90. No one is asking him if 'it's time.' Mitch? 82 Durbin? 80. Schumer's a spring chick at 73, I think. But the 'young gun' Maga Moses Mike is even more insane imo.
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But that's nonsense, there's constantly LOADS of people saying they all need to call it a day.
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Lots of people think these guys are way too old. And calls for their retirement isny unusual either. They were pretty loud when Feinstein was being wheeled around barely alive. They were loud for RBG. Grassley has had to address his age in all his latest campaigns etc.
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The Democrat gerontocracy has been a problem for a long-time. Its sad that the GOP is essentially the young party. And many of the younger generation of Dem players give off vibes of vacuousness or creepiness, or sometimes both. While other disappear. Rising but having nowhere to go they wither.
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Why is this only affecting people with college degrees and not us who do not have one?
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I think there is a sincere class issue…. The upper class is the ones who’s freaking out and they are poison…. I’m disappointed and disappointed enough to consider going to inpatient.