FreeSpirit: Let Biden do his thing. All of you have your knickers twisted into knots! This is the time to stand behind him, NOT abandon him. He's had our backs for 4 years and the best Dems can do is run around like blue arse flies looking to replace him.

bouie is literally the only person on the NYT board who is behaving and responding to the debate like a professional that has followed and covered a presidential election. i mean that seriously, i'm not being snarky.

if you actually get *paid* to write about politics for a living, screaming that the nominee has to drop out after one bad debate *in june* (and one in which the challenger did not do well, either), you are unqualified for your job and your salary

He had freaks melting down in his replies simply from asking “why wouldn’t it be Kamala then?”

Because she polls even worse than Biden. Do you want to win or be politically correct?

Biden steps down. Harris is muscled aside in favor of Andy Beshear. Jim Clyburn and other high ranking blacl Democrats says “wait a sec, why are we elevating Harris?” what happens next?

“buh you just love identity politics” doesn’t get around the fact that parties are coalitions, Harris has a real and influential constituency, and ignoring it could prove a problem.

(also, no real evidence that a non-Harris Democrat would not also be saddled by the unpopularity of the Biden administration)

I’m torn on this question and think you’re making a compelling serious argument. But I will say the one bit of evidence we *do* have that a non Biden D would not be saddled with the unpopularity is that D’s are polling like 5-7 points ahead of Biden in basically every statewide race.

Let Biden do his thing. All of you have your knickers twisted into knots! This is the time to stand behind him, NOT abandon him. He's had our backs for 4 years and the best Dems can do is run around like blue arse flies looking to replace him.

How many independents do you think we gained last night. Democrats will not elect Biden INDEPENDENT’S will.

yes literally: he alienated so many potential voters (I know, I know: young people don't vote: stfu. SOME do) over genocide support. He knows he's losing votes from that. He HAD to pick up independents to replace them. Y Liberal pundits utterly refuse to acknowledge the cost of of Israel love

A lot of the people minimizing his abysmal performance are treating it like it happened in a vacuum and we’re all just overreacting to 1 bad debate. Sorry no, he’s been repelling voters across the spectrum for a multitude of reason lately. The debate was just an opportunity to plug 1 of many holes.

agreed. We're not over reacting to one event. A reasonable person will look at that and say, I'm not showing up to the polls for a guy with aphasia--no offense: it really sucks. How is Biden not only going to get as many votes as last time in MI/AZ/GA, but _replace_ anti-genocide voters?

I have no idea how people can be optimistic about his chances to do that. There are numerous scenarios where he loses the 40,000 votes that made the difference last time. Depressed turnout over Gaza and his age are 2 that come to mind. Then there’s the economy. It’s way too precarious for my liking.

Not voting is a vote for Trump and a vote for way more genocide. His very first political appointee in 2017 was his personal bankruptcy lawyer, David Friedman, a “settlement financier and right-wing fanatic,” who removed recognition of Palestinians. Up to you. arabcenterdc.org/resource/the...

The Trump Term: An Israel-Palestine Damage Assessmentarabcenterdc.org Shortly after he was elected as president in November 2016, Donald Trump quickly got to work on advancing his Israel policy. In fact, he might have focused more swiftly on this issue than any other. D...

Who are the anti-genocide voters voting for? That Joe Biden has stood up to Israel at all is a massive shift in US policy but it's not enough for a lot of ppl. I get it but the choice is binary. Vote for Ralph Nader or Jill Stein and get Bush II or Trump 2. Did we learn nothing from Ned Stark?

A post-debate poll just got published where Biden gained. So we really know absolutely nothing here.

Actually it’s turnout.

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