b-boy bouiebaisse: Biden steps down. Harris is muscled aside in favor of Andy Beshear. Jim Clyburn and other high ranking blacl Democrats says “wait a sec, why are we elevating Harris?” what happens next?

bouie is literally the only person on the NYT board who is behaving and responding to the debate like a professional that has followed and covered a presidential election. i mean that seriously, i'm not being snarky.

if you actually get *paid* to write about politics for a living, screaming that the nominee has to drop out after one bad debate *in june* (and one in which the challenger did not do well, either), you are unqualified for your job and your salary

He had freaks melting down in his replies simply from asking “why wouldn’t it be Kamala then?”

Because she polls even worse than Biden. Do you want to win or be politically correct?

Biden steps down. Harris is muscled aside in favor of Andy Beshear. Jim Clyburn and other high ranking blacl Democrats says “wait a sec, why are we elevating Harris?” what happens next?

“buh you just love identity politics” doesn’t get around the fact that parties are coalitions, Harris has a real and influential constituency, and ignoring it could prove a problem.

(also, no real evidence that a non-Harris Democrat would not also be saddled by the unpopularity of the Biden administration)

right, like, the natural question to this hypothetical replacement candidate is "what would you, as president, do differently than the biden administration has done", and i doubt you find anyone willing to discuss that

people want to believe that you can just swap out biden no harm no foul, but there is nothing about this system as constituted that allows that. but rather than grapple with this, the response is basically to scream “nuh uh”

THANK you, this bizarre fantasy stuff is so dumb and so pointless

I mean, I don't like Harris at all, but I don't see how we replace her and win. I think we are stuck with Biden unless he chooses to drop out, and we only have her as a replacement. Also, it was dumb to have the convention after ballot deadlines.

Why didn't this crowd start the dump biden movement in jan 2023 when there were reasonable scenarios

My humble opinion is that Biden beat trump. No one else has yet.

Because they're all part of the effort to get TFG back in. I'm all-in on Occam's Razor this year. Seven dimension chess doesn't exist and the most obvious reason is the most likely. There's no scenario where that's not the outcome, so that's what they want.

One of this crowd's key tactics is to deliberately and shamelessly stall during any period in which action is possible. Then the moment it's effectively too late to do anything, they put on a sad wide-eyed expression and say there are just no changes they can make.

I think we all know the answer to that — these are all, every last one of them, people who don't care about solutions or results whatsoever, they just want to loudly hate whatever Democrat is in power because clinging to Magical Fantasy Democrat who solves all their problems is easier.

Because none of the other logical picks for the nomination wanted to run

Arguably not part of ''this crowd", but @perrybaconjr.bsky.social did float the idea before then. bsky.app/profile/perr... Probably a coincidence, but he also used to work for Nate Silver, who came later to the idea but has since been obsessed with it.

Ha. Yes. I have received quite a few, "Maybe you were right" messages in the last 24 hours. But I would rather not be right about this! I wish Biden had been better. Alas. But I have been saying this since January 2022. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/202...

Opinion | If Biden doesn’t run, Democrats have plenty of strong candidates for 2024www.washingtonpost.com One of them, of course, is Kamala Harris. But she's not the only one, and that's okay.

"Its too early to call the 24 election, we cant give up the incumbent advantage! (even though we just lost the House in the Midterms) your just being a spoiler, youre actually a Trump Supporter!"

Because of the Democrat’s slavish devotion to norms, the only way to ditch Biden was, and is, to get him to drop out. Democratic leaders didn’t want to make him do that, now it is obvious they need to (but they probably still won’t).

Ok, but he’s also declined a lot in the past 18 mos.

The whole thing is no different than an improbable trade deal someone calling into sports radio would think up

what if we traded lebron james for nicola jokic, i mean, we're not going to talk to the league or the lakers or the nuggets about it, but just asking

I said in an argument last night that it’s like saying we should convert the US grid to solar (a pretty good idea) by shutting down all coal plants next month (a disaster that wouldn’t even get you to your goal)

Sports fandom for a team with like a flailing QB was immediately what came to mind when the opinions started coming in.

Have you been reading Nate Silver?

it's just fantasy football campaign edition, like, none of the arguments i have read (save yours) are grappling with any of the actual realities of process or the parties involved who would have to be convinced or the timeline in which it would have to happen

Buncha freaks malding and screeching at anyone not similarly pulling their hair out. It’s fucking pathetic, honestly.

What no one has mentioned is Ohio GOP tried to block Biden from even being on the ballot & it took the governor intervention to make sure he would be on (despite following all the rules) You just going to replace him & expect no GOP shenanigans Whomever replaces him might not even be on all ballots

Unless he dies this is the candidate — sorry folks Going to be Biden Harris no matter what

Seriously. Especially if there's a genuine risk of a floor fight, because then those states can honestly say "we have no idea what's going to happen in August" bsky.app/profile/cyne...

If this really was "the cold messed him up", then it's "take some time to recover, and plan to campaign through a tough schedule" If that's not the issue...then it's time to double-check ballot access laws and how to get the nomination to Harris.

"what if we did a thing that has literally never been done in our nation's history? that should be straightforward." wtf are people talking about?

And we know it worked out great when LBJ declined to run for reelection in March 1968 and when Ted Kennedy primaried Jimmy Carter in 1980, over 240 days before the election. So surely this will be successful 130 days before the election, and 101 days before people start voting. I am very smart.

People are melting down like toddlers. Also reasoning like toddlers.

It feels like the same people who shouted down any concern about Biden being old when reelection came around are just realizing that he is in fact old and are freaking out about it.

I am livid at the DNC for letting this happen. They’ve been downplaying and apparently bold face lying about Biden’s health. I don’t care what anyone says I’ve been around enough loved ones with cognitive issues that last night breaks my heart.

i must ask again what people think the DNC is

They took the lesson of RBG to be “we should definitely let the egos of geriatric leaders determine the fate of millions.”

Doesn’t break your heart enough to not use them as a prop to make a cheap political point.

Using “the DNC” in an online sentence is a sure sign the speaker is completely ignorant of process and politics.

dee - BS! "breaks my heart" is ridiculous, did you see Obama debate flop? If not, look it up! Then look up the video of Biden today. Never mind, link below. Than, either set down or stand up for democracy (hint; you vote for an administration NOT one man). youtu.be/xaaEhPkplRo?...

"When you get knocked down you get back up!"youtu.be President Biden campaigns in Raleigh, NC the day after his debate with former President Donald Trump: "I know I'm not a young man, to state the obvious. I don't walk as easy as I used to. I don't speak as smoothly as I used to. I don't debate as well as I used to, but I know what I do know. I know how to tell the truth. I know right from wrong. I know how to do this job. I know how to get things done and I know like millions of Americans know; when you get knocked down you get back up!" Full video here: https://www.c-span.org/video/?536586-1/president-biden-campaigns-raleigh-nc Download the FREE C-SPAN Now App. https://www.c-span.org/c-spanNow/ Discover the C-SPAN Video Library at https://www.c-span.org/quickguide/ Explore C-SPAN's Free Educational Resources at https://www.c-span.org/classroom/ C-SPAN: Created by Cable in 1979. Offered as a public service. Support C-SPAN by Donating Today: https://donorbox.org/support-c-span?utm_source=YouTube&utm_medium=Video_Description&utm_campaign=Donations&utm_content=Donate Subscribe to our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/CSPAN Follow us: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CSPAN Twitter: https://twitter.com/cspan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cspan/ Subscribe: C-SPAN Podcasts: https://www.c-span.org/podcasts/ Newsletters: https://www.c-span.org/connect/ Visit the C-SPAN Shop: https://c-spanshop.org/ #cspan

Did you somehow miss the entire State of the Union address? Same guy, on his own, for more than an hour, kicking ass and taking names. Nobody lied. He had a bad night. One bad debate is not the same as lying about someone's health. Get a grip. youtu.be/al7ont2noYA?...

Watch President Biden's full 2024 State of the Union addressyoutu.be Watch President Biden deliver remarks to the nation in his 2024 State of the Union address, including remarks on Ukraine, immigration, Roe v. Wade, the Israel-Hamas war, and his thoughts for the future. » Subscribe to NBC News: https://www.youtube.com/user/NBCNews NBC News Digital is a collection of innovative and powerful news brands that deliver compelling, diverse and engaging news stories. NBC News Digital features NBCNews.com, MSNBC.com, TODAY.com, Nightly News, Meet the Press, Dateline, and the existing apps and digital extensions of these respective properties. We deliver the best in breaking news, live video coverage, original journalism and segments from your favorite NBC News Shows. Connect with NBC News Online! Breaking News Alerts: https://link.nbcnews.com/join/5cj/breaking-news-signup?cid=sm_npd_nn_yt_bn-clip_190621 Visit NBCNews.Com: https://www.nbcnews.com/ Find NBC News on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NBCNews Follow NBC News on Twitter: https://twitter.com/NBCNews Get more of NBC News delivered to your inbox: nbcnews.com/newsletters #Biden #SOTU #StateoftheUnion

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