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post malone ergo propter malone @proptermalone.bsky.social · 16 days
very honestly coming around to the view that the paradigm of non-toxic, community-driven masculinity we need can be shorthanded by "dudes rock"
Avatar Pastacat @minimallycrazy.bsky.social · 17 days
It's fun to slag on teenage boys but IMO they're not so much ideologically right-wing as they are desperate for the approval and mentorship of older dudes a lot of the time, and we are letting them down on that score (either by trying to indoctrinate them or not interacting with them at all).
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post malone ergo propter malone @proptermalone.bsky.social · 16 days
curiosity, perseverence, fellowship, sprawl: it's all there!
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freelance agent for BIG-DOG (dog industry) @beneprism.rip · 16 days
One problem is that we don't actually believe these are "masculine" qualities. At least I don't
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post malone ergo propter malone @proptermalone.bsky.social · 16 days
some of these ladies is dudes too
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freelance agent for BIG-DOG (dog industry) @beneprism.rip · 16 days
I don't know. It feels disingenuous. I don't think the problem is a lack of options to be "masculine" but trouble finding a fulfilling role in society & community. If we want to solve that by finding positive outlets for testosterone-linked traits, we need to be honest about what those traits are
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freelance agent for BIG-DOG (dog industry) @beneprism.rip · 16 days
There are ways to use curiosity, fellowship, perseverance, etc. as character traits that help direct risk-taking urges and an increased capacity for physical force into constructive ends, but I don't think it neuters men for those positive traits to be gender-nonspecific.
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Jen Roth @tealdeer.bsky.social · 16 days
That sounds like the ideal, yeah.
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Jen Roth @tealdeer.bsky.social · 16 days
That doesn't really help if Dudes Rock is supposed to be the new masculinity. If it goes the way it has historically, if enough (and "enough" doesn't have to be a very high percentage) ladies Dig Hole, Dig Hole will no longer be a dude thing. Maybe this time will be different! IDK.
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Jen Roth @tealdeer.bsky.social · 16 days
Not trying to piss on your project, but there are real pitfalls folks should be aware of.
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Jen Roth @tealdeer.bsky.social · 16 days
I think we've lost, or at least had to retreat from, that battle. The world's not ready to ditch the idea of "masculine" vs "feminine" traits. Encouraging constructive masculinity beats the hell out of toxic masculinity and would make the world safer than it is now. It's not nothing.
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Jen Roth @tealdeer.bsky.social · 16 days
It's a very tough pill to swallow, but also I don't want to be like those people who oppose incremental progress because they can't have the whole thing all at once.
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freelance agent for BIG-DOG (dog industry) @beneprism.rip · 16 days
I just genuinely do not believe "curiosity" and "perseverance" are distinctly masculine traits! I'm on board with the idea that saying that these positive traits are part of being a "good man" or whatever, but when you call them "masculine" traits you're suggesting a distinction that does not exist.
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Mesarthim Q. P. @mesarthim.bsky.social · 16 days
I feel like this is more like saying 'this component should be endorsed, modelled and welcomed in building a masculine self-image and world-view, so those who wish to be specifically masculine will have this available to them.' So, not exclusive, but with the potential coding.