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saw someone earnestly argue that the popularity of star wars in the 70s was proves a majority of americans were against american imperialism and supported the tactics of the Viet Cong and i think years of shallow media analysis through narrow ideological lenses has destroyed some people's minds
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this was in the context of a conversation about the new star wars show and how star wars fans now are bad. trying to position old star wars fans as just as ideological as current fans but anti-imperialist, rather than kids who liked spaceships and lasers and magic powers.
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“The media you consume is inherently linked to your politics which is an extension of your overall identity” is an overgeneralized mindset I really wish we could delete
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Kulturkampf is a real thing
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Overgeneralized....possibly. But there's a LOT of truth in it.
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Do you disagree? If so why?
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it's a facile take that offers the appearance of insight without taking the trouble to actually have any, a truism at the highest, broad-stroke level and utterly insupportable at any scale of greater granularity
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Did they argue "Hanoi Jane" should never have gotten the role of Princess Leia in the original? If so they're treading very close to a hospital "vacay"
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refusing to understand cognitive dissonance as, like, a thing that exists in the world is an exciting new frontier for cognitive dissonance
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it must be a very soft and pleasant way of existing in the world. like, people who like good things are good, people who like bad things are bad, and you never have to think about anything complicated ever. star wars is about fighting an empire, so it's anti-imperialist. easy.
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it really is the squishmallow of philosophical outlooks
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i think it was probably popular cuz people like laser swords and funny robots personally
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No, when i saw star wars as a child in 1996 i was like, "this really says a lot about American imperialism" and then used my star wars action figures to roleplay organized community resistance
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the popularity of podracing proves that americans feel the summer america runs on sport, qua podracing
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yeah people are famously very good at picking up on themes and inspirations, that's why there's no bigoted xmen fans
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I make this comment more often that I expected but: Don’t forget the anti-woke gamers who thought Persona 5 was mocking "sjws," or metal gear fans who drove kojima to madness by demanding more guys and violence in a stealth game about pacifism and why war is bad.
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Special shout to the ones that dared to go further by saying "metal gear solid isn’t political"
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You'd have to skip literally all the cutscenes to think that
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Just pressing X to scroll through War & Peace levels of dialogue, and an entire seasons of Game of Thrones levels of on screen narrative/character declaration.
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I guess some people never engaged with it deeper than "action hero man fights giant robot" which is sad.
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Or Fallout fans who don't realize the game criticizes capitalism or that the Legion is bad, actually
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(watching the walking allegory for the gestapo become the face of the franchise, who everyone thinks is so cool that a sequel of trilogies is made about him, specifically) americans reject and loathe a brutal empire, in any form 😤
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Star Wars (1977) was so powerfully anti-American Imperialism that it caused the fall of Saigon two years earlier
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I think it proved Americans liked an entertaining space opera, personally...
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Americans like Han more than Harrison "just kill him" Ford likes Han.
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As I recall back then, Ho Chi Minh was really popular in Middle America.
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Very important influencer.
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In a similar vein, the popularity of The Fast and The Furious signifies the majority of the US is pro-crime, Dark Knight indicates we support billionaires punching lower-income people for crime, and Harry Potter shows we support giving children deadly weapons and making them soldiers.
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Huh, I didn't know there was a star wars take so bad it would make me choke on my own saliva.
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I think of Star Wars shows us anything it's that people in the evil empire think they're the scrappy rebels. It's why people LARPed on Twitter as The Resistance while decrying antifa and thought Trump needed to be removed by voting.
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Whoa, how was Trump removed in your timeline?
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He hasn't been, at all!
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Oh, yeah, clearly voting for the lesser of two evils worked, that's why we're still fucking dealing with fascism. Your brain is made of casu martzu.
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As a seven year old at the time, can confirm I was thinking about the Tet Offensive throughout the entire third act of ANH
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I don’t know maybe it’s that Americans really love final scenes inspired by Triumph of the Will; who can say, really?
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Because I’m sort of a nutbird, I thought of this scene when I was watching THE LAST JEDI
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I'd love to live in a world where everyone understood that starship troopers is satire,but we don't
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Wild that anyone would expect the average American movie goer in 1977 to have the media literacy and philosophical bent to take that reading to heart. It's Flash Gordon, the epic cycle and space dogfighting. The anti vietnam stuff is in there sure, but it's not what the public got out of it in 77
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I think sometimes people are just wrong about things.
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I was 7 and wanted to be a Jedi. Did I eventually come to understand Lucas' anti-imperialism philosophy? Yes, but I'm 53 and still want to be a Jedi.