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The thing that's telling and exasperating about the centrist "Biden must drop out" calls is that... this was their guy! They act like the left insisted on him! But Biden was the guy they were saying Democrats should instead rally around when it looked like we might pick Bernie!
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Dude, it never looked like we were going to pick Bernie. He had no chance whatsoever with the majority of the actual Dem base, whose concerns he dismissed as "identity politics."
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Bernie wasn't able to break 30%, & ironically for a socialist, didn't realize he was presenting his opponents with a very simple collective action problem.
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bernie was beating biden in one-on-one polls a few days before that happened. it was obvious they could do this, but what surprised me was the dramatic effect it had on polls between like friday and monday.
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He actually wasn't, is the problem. Biden took a big jump as he absorbed Klobuchar, Buttigeig, & O'Rourke's supporters (& also much of Warren's) but he was already leading Bernie. Also you need to ask yourself why all those millions of voters switched to Biden instead of Sanders in the first place.
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Bernie as I said couldn't break 30% but then all the shitlib voters worked collectively towards their "Bernie Sanders shouldn't be the nominee" goal & decided on a single candidate to vote for & now Biden is president.
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yes, and as i said, the surprise on my end at the time was not that they might do this, but that it would so effectively sway their voters, given previous head-to-head polling.
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Also bears saying that Sanders could have cut Buttigieg and Klobuchar into his coalition if he'd anything to offer and were constitutionally capable of that sort of dealmaking
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he tried to offer Warren both the VP slot and secretary of (i think treasury?). i don't know what more you can even give someone.
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Consistent respect before you need something?
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hey Harris started off calling Biden racist and now she's VP. Bernie has never been anything but respectful. Warren read too many articles about mean tweets i guess.
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Real talk as a Warren voter: If she'd endorsed Bernie I'd be disappointed in her & start looking at other candidates.
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you were in the minority of those supporters.
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I won't pretend her signaling that he was a dick she didn't want to work with colored my opinion of him, but setting aside that's on Sanders as a candidate, I was pretty primed to support someone else before those revelations
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But Proof how would you have known the guy who hired Briahna Joy-Gray, David Sirota, & Jeff Weaver was a dick if Elizabeth Warren didn't mind control you into thinking as she commanded?
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having fun building elaborate mythologies around random progressive political staffers, whom you only know from their being hired by bernie
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My dude, the man was running to staff the Executive. The insane entourage he had with him was a substantive issue
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Yeah there's no elaborate mythologies here it's very simple: Bernie Sanders would be a bad hire for the "chose staffers for the entire government" job because we have many examples of him doing a shit job of it for his campaign.
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Random staffers like press secretary, the literal mouthpiece of the candidate?
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i just don't think we needed to convince the kind of people who have a list of grievances against obscure progressive media figures.
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They're not obscure, that's the whole fuckin issue! They're critical parts of the Bernie campaign!
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yes, but i don't think most people know who you are talking about.
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People know when you’ve hired a terrible press secretary because that’s the person who speaks for the candidate, in the most literal sense imaginable.
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And, you know, let's hand him the point. Most people don't know he had a shit staff, seems true enough Everyone on this thread does, so this is "imagine a dumb voter so we can pretend bad staffing is a non-issue." Among other issues with that, the results his hires got speak for themselves!
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So the press secretary of a campaign is unimportant? You're speaking to the relative unpopularity of Bernie's campaign, so yes, you're right in that respect.
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I think it’s absurd that I know and have opinions about sanders’ press secretary as well, but all the evidence points to sanders wanting that result.
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some of us have been observing Gray be a dipshit long before Bernie bad-decisioned his way into employing her, hth
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"random" bud if you keep hiring bad people at high-level positions, you're badly prepared for the presidency, whose responsibility is primarily *doing exactly that*.
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The primary job of a President is hiring and nominating people to carry out the agenda of the Executive Office. If you can't demonstrate skill in that area, why on earth would anyone put you into the most consequential EO job on the planet? Sanders consistently surrounded himself with bad people.