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every time I see someone complain about unions I think about how unions were the consensus alternative to the previous system of burning the factory owner alive inside his house
Not making any threats here, just thinking out loud as a historian — do they people brazenly pushing for impunity for the wealthy elites not know what traditionally comes next?
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Right, this is the labor equivalent of poisonings went down by more than half after no-fault divorce became the law
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so did DV cases -'hit me again and I walk' - had teeth and female suicides.
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They really juat don't teach labor history here at all. Nothing about armed standoff between Union members and armed "security," nothing about the beatings, and certainly nothing that might give anyone ideas on how to deal with rich assholes who think they're above consequences. 🤷‍♂️
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We learned all about strike-breakers, Pinkertons, labor and capital assassinations, and the like. But then, Zinn was part of my HS history curriculum.
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The fact that in the US I didn't learn about the labor dispute that the international labor day commemorates, even though it happened in the US, and the fact that we don't celebrate that labor day really gives away the game imo
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Freshman year at Eastern MI I was like "I've always loved history classes, and my whole family's been union people, so lemme check out this labor history stuff here" only to be constantly like "WHY DIDNT THEY TEACH US THIS BEFORE?!. aaaaaaagh"
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I was fortunate to go to a Quaker high school, and there was a screening of "Harlan County USA" for the student body.
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The NLRA contained labor conflict and now people are prying open the big "labor conflict" box with crowbars
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Or having mini civil wars.
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And even then, I'm thinking about old British songs that are basically "join the union or we'll straight murder your scab ass"...
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Exactly the song I had in mind, and a big part of why I'm making myself a banjo as well.
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Slowly morphing into Ron Perlman during the writer’s strike
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The marginal tax rate at the end of a pitchfork is 100%.™️
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They say taxation is theft. So you might as well really go for it.
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They get a break if they steal it from their barn.
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Took me a bit but I’m 💯 pro-union. Being let go from two jobs with no solid reason (other than bosses didn’t like me) will do that to you.
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Guillotines are bad but fear of guillotines among elites is healthy and good.
The upper echelons of American society has been so comparatively stable for so long that our elites have forgotten what a guillotine sounds like and that forgetfulness has made them crass. Guillotines are bad. But a healthy fear of guillotines?
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a common form of protest in colonial America was to get so riled up, you go to the local governor’s house and rip it down. In one case, they literally threw his house in a river so he couldn’t just put it back up
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I'm very pro-union, but in some specific, select cases, a return to the Old Ways might be more useful.
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Hey cmon now, unions aren't necessary anymore, after all, my boss thinks I have a cool truck
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Yes. Also, can we understand that some taxes are GAT Guillotine Avoidance Tax
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The super-rich are convinced they can pay half the poor to fight off the other half if necessary. I’m not sure they’re wrong.
That's definitely their strategy, and it's definitely working, for now. Things can absolutely get worse, and will unless something fundamental changes. The super-rich apparently seem determined to walk straight into future generations' cautionary tales.
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Sadly the tyranny of fascistic oppression is usually endured for decades or more before the guillotine comes down! Can we skip that part and go straight to the beheading now pls😂🙏😡
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Usurious wealth tax rates are, historically-speaking, the *best* case end for the gilded class.
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Across the developed world the political consensus is removing each and every pressure valve and assuming the pressure will continue to dissipate as usual.
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The Homestead Strike happened just 3 years after the Johnstown Flood, and it targeted the companies of owners involved in the flood. After the flood, none of the wealthy industrialists were held accountable. The two events may not have been explicitly linked, but people remember injustice.
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Maybe the conservatives are on to something and we should burn about 30 billionaires on their yachts out in international waters, while shooting down anyone who tries to rescue them. Since they died in international waters, their probate gets more complex...
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It was a real close vote, too!
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Like bringing in cops or National Guard to forcefully disperse protests. The historical alternative to protests isn't "no protests".
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My wife works at a hospital and let me tell you... her union rep seems blissfully unaware that the history of his position in those negotiations consists of, "Listen up fuckstick. You negotiate in good faith or you'll be happy you're already in a hospital."
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I think an unfortunate development in modern times is that the factory owner is much more likely to live halfway across the world, and have multiple homes with significant internal security presence and militarized police on call.
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In conservative areas looooots of people (even older people) absolutely do not know that locking people inside a burning factory was absolutely a real thing and that's what prompted unionization as self-defense measure.
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“Instead of striking, why don’t they compromise?” Striking is the compromise. Too many people have forgotten how it used to work.
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Somebody tell these rich guys to go out and touch Titanic.
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99% of the tv I consume takes place between 1700 and 1950 and yeah, I feel as though I’m watching a working class uprising build, the way a tsunami does.
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The second alternative needs to be reconsidered
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Given how some current day "factory owners" are behaving, bringing back that practice is very tantalizing.
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Who is the factory owner of Tesla? Elon?
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Sadly, I think the heavily armed (with automatic weapons) rich people who get to act with impunity ( see Trump, Donald) are a tremendous deterrent. I know facing down hired goons with AR-15s is deterrent for me.
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Yeah, well, let’s get the pitchforks and burning torches out.