Why does everyone keep talking about "the voters" like they're the ones writing in the New York Times. All evidence so far is that the voters are basically unmoved
i mean the polling averages/approvals *have* moved in the wrong direction, although (1) they've not moved a lot, (2) we've only had a few polls, and (3) it's only been a week
Based on the number of people who have seamlessly switched into “really it’s the way the campaign that’s responding I’m worried about” this is almost entirely a media-driven thing On Here
yeah but what's happening On Here is like the least interesting part of any conversation, at least back on twitter there were enough journalists/politicians that you could imagine a trickle-down effect
Oh sure but there’s a load of conflation of “voters” and “readers of the Times” which isn’t helpful. Their parade of unsourced “democrats in disarray” nonsense needs to be read through the filter of AG’s hardon for Biden because of his FEELS
I mean either journalism doesn't change public opinion, in which case it's a waste of everybody's time and money, or it does, in which case they need to consider the effect of their actions
It’s obviously a complex and dynamical system which is why I’d also implore the Times’ employees to really examine what and why they do what they do, which is to me supremely irresponsible even if the only people they’re freaking out are online weirdos
The NY Times isn’t a solo influence on media consumers but it’s a bellwether and powerful influence of media herding effects
Their editorial line gives permission to other outlets to parrot similar narratives, and it snowballs
(I think this is very evident from the 2016 Emails saga!)
Yeah they’ve got to get fully united one way or another, quickly. Either Biden has some good performances and they line up behind him with everyone making statements of support, or he doesn’t and they force him out and line up behind Kamala.
A small plea to remember Trump’s post-rape tape dip. Trump supporters didn’t disappear, they simply stop responding as supportive to surveys in the field for a few weeks.
Do we know how long the differential non-response bias after a debate loss lasts?
My concern is not the debate per se but that if the polls are correct it is a statistical tie and we lose in that scenario because of the EC.
But the polls seem dodgy. I hope that is not just me self-deceiving.
Also: I think it is entirely fair to point out that the media is unfair to Dems. The GOP did that for years, and now the media won't report on their guy being a child rapist. If the refs don't want to be worked, they shouldn't reward it!
Maybe the media could spend as much time, uh, informing people about things like: Trump calling for a military tribunal of Liz Cheney, The SC paving the way for him to do such things, and what it means when millions of americans are to be deported with no destination but a shallow grave
And it’s not just 20 minutes, it’s been months/years of public buildup on the age issue leading to a performance that played into every negative expectation
Yeah it was about as bad as possible. Unfortunately I watched the rest and talked myself into it not mattering long term. I think no one knows what is better electorally so hope he will either drop out for Kamala or everyone move on asap.
I genuinely want a beer with someone who is earnestly considering voting for Trump mainly because they are worried Biden, who they’d prefer, is not up for the job.
I really don’t think it’s that, Trump looks like he more or less has a fixed vote share. It’s the soft Biden voters or undecideds who could just give up on him
America has a gerontocracy problem.
It's self-sustaining because the longer the incumbents make their successors wait the more reluctant they in turn will be to retire in a timely manner.
we need to stop listening to elite liberal arts grads who decided they know better than the rest of us, never grew out of it, and turned it into a career.
I worked on an elite liberal arts college newspaper for a few years. I am familiar with this type of guy. “Leningrad intelligentsia” is some hot dog suit shit.
I more or less agree, but: Obama’s first 2012 debate was “very bad”, but I’m genuinely unsure if there has been a worse presidential debate performance than Biden’s in the history of our country. I don’t think it reflects his average state, but the floor it reveals should shake people up.
Is it that they shouldn’t or that they won’t? If it’s that they shouldn’t - great! Someone should tell the voters that and make sure they know. If it’s that they won’t - I think this is grievously mistaken - the debate clips, constant on soc media, are a large % of their experience of Biden.
