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"Oh no! Bette Midler!"
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Looks like the original suit was 1988 also, though Frito-Lay appealed in 1992, referencing the Midler lawsuit. Interesting reading.
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🎶 did you ever know that you're my hero 🎶
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Tom Waits also won similar lawsuit against Frito-Lay for imitating his voice in commercial. Yet when me tried to sue Tom Waits for imitating my voice, me got laughed out of court!
Corn chip Blues: When Tom Waits took Doritos to courtfaroutmagazine.co.uk In the mid-1980s, Frito-Lay got into a spot of hot water with Tom Waits after deliberately crafting a soundalike of one of his songs for an advert.
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Looks like they... lost a Bette. EEYEEEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHH!!! *opens mail to deserved cease & desists from The Who, David Caruso, and CBS*
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Oh nice, I was remembering the Tom Waits case but I totally forgot about this one.
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I looked up some more info about this case, which is definitely an interesting one. But I’m not sure what it has to do with copyright law? It sounds like part of the problem is that the actual copyright holder of the song approved ford’s use to begin with
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I could be misunderstanding the Wikipedia summary here but it sounds like a voice in itself still isn’t copyrightable (only recordings of it), but it can be considered part of one’s identity. copyright isn’t the mechanism that protects a celebrity’s voice from being used like this
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Right, I should've been more specific. The CNN story puts it under "right to publicity" laws
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I only make the distinction because I feel like copyright has a lot of issues that favor corporations and gets oversold by artists in the ai discussion; and I’m hoping protections for artists (like they seem to have here) can come through other paths that don’t expand copyright law specifically
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Like i think the court was right and also it still appears to be the case that you can’t copyright a voice (as in not a recording); that’s actually a good thing! Imagine if a company could copyright your voice indefinitely
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It's an important distinction! Thank you for making it
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As someone who’s creative work (software) is “protected” by copyright, the only way to protect artists is to abolish intellectual “property” entirely and go about it a wholly different way.
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"The Ensuring Likeness Voice and Image Security Act (ELVIS Act) ... will prohibit people from using AI to mimic an artist’s voice without permission" i hate legislative acronym contortions. i love legislative acronym contortions.
Beyond Name, Image, Likeness: Voice Protectionjolt.richmond.edu Beyond Name, Image, Likeness: Voice Protection By Jack Sherwood Artificial Intelligence has been used in the music industry for decades. As early as 2004, AI audio modulation was introduced by Yama…
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Basically, under “intellectual property” law, generally.
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The case centers on whether a distinguishable (but uncopyrightable) feature of a performer can be emulated without consent, which isn't strictly about copyright but fits most neatly under the umbrella of "copyright law" as a category.
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Did she ever stop being transphobic or apologize for it
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I haven't seen any comments from her on the subject since her 2022 "I Wasn't Being Transphobic, I Was Just Retweeting An Article Of Transphobic Talking Points" incident. It's possible she legitimately thought there was some anti-woman linguistic campaign unrelated to trans issues
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Then again, I initially was willing to give Rowling the benefit of the doubt too, and we saw where that went...
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THE SIMPSONS seers win again 😃
Oh no! Bette Midler!youtu.be Oh no! Bette Midler! S04E22 "Krusty Gets Kancelled" "Krusty Gets Kancelled" is the 22nd and final episode of The Simpsons' fourth season. It first aired on the Fox network in the United States on May 13, 1993. In the episode, a new show featuring a puppet named Gabbo premieres in Springfield and competes with Krusty the Clown's show. Krusty's show is soon cancelled, and Bart Simpson decides to help Krusty get back on the air by staging a comeback special. John Swartzwelder wrote the episode and David Silverman served as director. Following the success of "Homer at the Bat", the writers wanted to try a similar guest star-heavy episode, except with celebrities instead of baseball players. The episode proved quite difficult, as many of the actors asked to guest star declined at the last minute and the comeback special portion was nearly scrapped. Johnny Carson, Hugh Hefner, Bette Midler, Luke Perry, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers (Flea, Anthony Kiedis, Arik Marshall and Chad Smith) all guest star as themselves and appear on Krusty's special. Elizabeth Taylor and Barry White, both of whom guest-starred in previous episodes this season, make cameo appearances. Bette Midler's condition for guest starring was that the show promoted her anti-littering campaign.[6] Elizabeth Taylor guest starred as herself and also recorded a part as Maggie in "Lisa's First Word" on the same day.[4] Luke Perry was one of the first guest stars to agree to their parts. Frank Sinatra's 1973 rendition of the song "Send in the Clowns" from Ol' Blue Eyes Is Back is parodied in the episode, and Krusty sings the altered lyrics: "Send in those soulful and doleful, schmaltz-by-the-bowlful clowns" in a musical number of his comeback special. Gabbo's name comes from the 1929 film The Great Gabbo. He was originally designed to be more square, but the second design was made to be "a demented Howdy Doody". His voice was based on Jerry Lewis. The sequence with Gabbo's song contains several references to the 1940 film Pinocchio. Krusty mentions that he beat Joey Bishop. Bishop was an entertainer who had his own show, The Joey Bishop Show, which ran opposite of The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson. Bette Midler's serenading Krusty is a reference to the way Bette sang to Johnny Carson on the penultimate episode of Carson's show. The scene in which Krusty instructs the Red Hot Chili Peppers to change the lyrics to the song "Give It Away" is a reference to Ed Sullivan instructing The Doors to change the lyrics to the song "Light My Fire". The poses of the Red Hot Chili Peppers in the scene are based on the movie The Doors. Flea, the bassist of the Red Hot Chili Peppers, is mistakenly seen playing a guitar during the performance of "Give It Away". Several scenes in Krusty's special are based on Elvis Presley's '68 Comeback Special. The musical piece that Hugh Hefner plays on the wine glasses is from Peter and the Wolf and was composed by Sergei Prokofiev. In 2006, Bette Midler, Hugh Hefner, Johnny Carson, Luke Perry, and the Red Hot Chili Peppers were listed at number four on IGN's list of the best Simpsons guest stars. They all also appeared on AOL's list of their favorite 25 Simpsons guest stars. In 2007, Vanity Fair named "Krusty Gets Kancelled" as the ninth-best episode of The Simpsons. John Orvet felt, "This is Krusty's best episode—better than the reunion with his father, or the Bar Mitzvah episode, which won an Emmy much later on. The incorporation of guest stars as themselves is top-notch, and we get to see the really dark side of Krusty's flailing showbiz career. Hollywood, television, celebrities, and fans are all beautifully skewered here." Brien Murphy of the Abilene Reporter-News classed "Krusty Gets Kancelled" as one of his three favorite episodes of The Simpsons, along with "Behind the Laughter" and "The Simpsons Spin-Off Showcase". Though Jim Schembri of The Age put the episode among his top 10 episodes of the series, he also noted "Unfortunately, this signaled the beginning of the show's obsession with star cameos." ck with his own gruesome ventriloquist doll, which falls apart on his lap on air" as the highlight of the episode. Mike Clark of USA Today also highlighted "Kamp Krusty" and "Krusty Gets Kancelled" as better episodes of the season, along with "A Streetcar Named Marge" and "Lisa the Beauty Queen". Jen Chaney of The Washington Post described episodes "A Streetcar Named Marge", "Mr. Plow", "Marge vs. the Monorail", and "Krusty Gets Kancelled" as "gems" of The Simpsons' fourth season. Spence Kettlewell of The Toronto Star described season 4 episodes "Krusty Gets Kancelled", "Kamp Krusty", "Mr. Plow", and "I Love Lisa" as "some of the best episodes" of the series."The result is a boring hodgepodge of scenes with Bette Midler, Johnny Carson, the Red Hot Chili Peppers and more where we're supposed to laugh simply because famous people are interacting with Krusty." 1pp2p30eccmcv3443
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oh man she must have ruined that backup singer’s life, too
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I looked it up and the singer appeared on her 1998 album, so either Bette didn't hold it against her or they reconciled (I'm going to headcanon that Bette knows that the corporate suits are the real villains) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathhou...
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Oh yay. Could eeeeasily picture that going a different way haha
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I’ve been saying all along—- if you can copyright your poems as being intellectual property than our thoughts should qualify. And definitely your voice. I want to see this play out. It’ll be interesting
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Problem: How unique is your voice on a planet with 8 billion people? Not very.
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It is a very common thing in the entertainment industry if not outright written into the SAG contract that if you offer an actor a job and they turn it down, you’re not allowed to hire a soundalike to imitate their voice. I’ve worked on multiple shows that had to rewrite jokes because of this
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So like, if you write a joke about Werner Herzog and hire a guy to do a Werner Herzog impression that’s parody and it’s fine. If you ask Werner Herzog to do the voice and he refuses so you hire a soundalike, that’s when you’re in trouble if Werner Herzog decides to come for you
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Basically, if the company acknowledges you have a unique voice and they want it first, then you have the proof to argue that your voice is unique and valuable to them in court.
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ScarJo once recorded an album of songs by Tom Waits, who successfully sued Frito-Lay for hiring someone who sounded like him to do an ad campaign that evoked his song "Step Right Up." He was less famous then than he is now, which is still not very. Super famous actress who played an AI has a case.
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I'm seriously wondering if this is the genesis of think, like, at least two cases of a show wanting Tom Waits to voice a character and then rewriting it for Ron Perlman.
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Indeed. This goes back to the 3 Stooges days, doesn't it? The 'fake Shemp' issue. Ran across a device that speaks and sound so much like me my own father thought I recorded it. I don't, and shouldn't be able to sue for that though. No way they did it on purpose.
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Nobody asked you. And frankly, everyone who goes along with others —- don’t invent shit!! You prefer I be a zombie follower? Go with the popular opinion ? I think for myself and you should try it
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***Taps the sign*** bsky.app/profile/nafn...
So no, OpenAI wasn't lying about not copying Scarlett Johannson's voice. www.msn.com/en-us/news/t... (I still don't believe the casting choice to go with a voice actress candidate who sounded similar to her was a coincidence, though, even if it wasn't officially cast as such)
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Did you ever knoowww that you’re my heroooo…. (I’ll see myself out)
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I always think that instead of saying no, stars should ask for astronomical amounts of money, like 500 million dollars for a five year non-exclusive license. Then, if the company is stupid enough to try this, there's a paper trail of how much the true talent was worth when seeking damages.
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Yes, but this case wasn't arguing copyright law (because Ford's ad agency licensed the song, and it was a demonstrably losing strategy after Sinatra). She argued personality rights, specifically appropriation of her voice. It's in the case. cyber.harvard.edu/people/tfish...
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And that's the thing- they'll lead people to believe these celebrities endorsed their products with the AI voice alikes...t
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Also a Tom Waits impersonator was used for a Step Right Up ripoff until a lawsuit made them sit back down
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I did not know this. Yay Tom Waits’ legal team!
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He said something like "I think it's great how advertising is helping all of these musicians represent their favourite brands"
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Especially egregious is the fact that ‘Step Right Up’ is pure anti-consumerist satire
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If I remember correctly, that was part of the argument. The voice artist felt really bad about it, but Tom was very kind to him