bouie is literally the only person on the NYT board who is behaving and responding to the debate like a professional that has followed and covered a presidential election. i mean that seriously, i'm not being snarky.
if you actually get *paid* to write about politics for a living, screaming that the nominee has to drop out after one bad debate *in june* (and one in which the challenger did not do well, either), you are unqualified for your job and your salary
Biden steps down. Harris is muscled aside in favor of Andy Beshear. Jim Clyburn and other high ranking blacl Democrats says “wait a sec, why are we elevating Harris?” what happens next?
“buh you just love identity politics” doesn’t get around the fact that parties are coalitions, Harris has a real and influential constituency, and ignoring it could prove a problem.
I’m torn on this question and think you’re making a compelling serious argument. But I will say the one bit of evidence we *do* have that a non Biden D would not be saddled with the unpopularity is that D’s are polling like 5-7 points ahead of Biden in basically every statewide race.
Look, you all can go round and round on this all you want, the people who aren't partisans are not going to vote for the guy who was on stage last night, no matter how absurd Trump is, he looked vibrant and did not seem diminished
To casual voters, independents, and undecideds, that will matter
Certainly by July 11th (Trump's sentencing date).
Besides, if it turns out that Biden is really just down with a cold--which might very well be the case, if reports are to be believed--then the debate may not be an accurate indication of his performance.
I mean, don't get me wrong, in my ideal world, we would've nominated Gretchen Witmer (with maybe Wes Moore as VP) instead of Biden--but the time for that was *last year*, if not earlier.
(Well, actually, in my ideal world, we would've peacefully turned the US into a supranational democratic confederalist association, but you get my meaning)
Yep…and at least 12 months ago, this conversation could have been had with Biden’s camp (and for all we know it was). But once that time has passed, he’s the guy.
And ballots have deadlines, some before the convention. There's no way to pick someone else. We just need to vote knowing Harris could take over ANY day and that's infinitely better than anyone Trump picks.
Yes, absent him standing down (which he is unlikely to do) he is the guy...and we have to deal with it...but that doesn't mean last night didn't set us back...it did
It really, truly, doesn’t. And you’ll see that in time and maybe you’ll feel a small semblance of shame for freaking the fuck out because an old man who stutters had a cold. Grow up.
As I said, good night...or if you insist on continuing to insult me b/c your opinion is the only one that apparently matters and any other opinion isn't just wrong, it is worth insulting...I will just block you.
Have you worked on many campaigns? Do you do political work?
Anyway, bye bye
I mean I know GW and am a big fan, would have been fine with that (although I personally think she needs some time on a national campaign first)...but yes, she would be great
I am not saying someone can rush in and save the day, I am saying last night was a disaster and it will be hard to overcome
