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Every low level lanyard job person in DC: please don’t wear a campaign button in my house, someone could see it and I might get in trouble SCOTUS: first you take a loan from someone with business before the court and then you just don’t pay it back. Did you see my insurrection flag.
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True story, I watched a friend / anonymous Dept of (Redacted) civil servant refuse to eat from a buffet because it wasn't made clear who had paid for the food at the event.
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I work for my towns municipal broadband provider and we have to tell the entire government if someone brings us pizzas.
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I'd love to pick your brain about how foolhardy/hopeless it would be to get my town to build its own network to bring Comcrap down a few pegs.
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It’s… not an easy or fast road
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Yep, figured. Plus, I'd have to buck Tom Petty's advice and live like a refugee to avoid their goons who would be sent to destroy my life.
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If you can get a few relatively wealthy/ locally politically connected folks, a few tech folks, and someone that can write grants to commit time it’s totally feasible.
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I had low level govt employees refuse bottles of water while we were working outside on a hot day, because they weren't allowed to accept any gifts
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To be clear, I find this kind of thing a little silly and at least *slightly* paranoid. Like, who really cares if you have a cup of coffee and it turns out some PAC paid for it. But, the contrast in mindset at the top and the bottom is very revealing!
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It IS silly but several people genuinely believed they could lose their jobs for it and I know there are higher ups who are happy to swing that axe for fun. But yep the contrast is remarkable
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For the record, the general executive branch gift rules at 5 C.F.R. § 2635.203(b)(1) exclude modest items of food and non-alcoholic refreshments like soft drinks, coffee, and donuts from the definition of a "gift" if it's not part of a meal, so it's generally okay to accept. The buffet is different.
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And there's nothing wrong with erring on the side of caution and saying "no", but the disparity between how seriously the vast majority of people covered by the rules treat them and how certain high-level folks react is really striking.
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my friend in local govt could accept a coffee from me but not a sandwich
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It was interesting to me that during the Trump administration a lot of the yearly ethics training seemed to focus more on political activity by employees (especially on social media) and de-emphasized rules about actual or perceived conflict of interest.
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I suspect it's because the low level folks know they can get fired for it.
During my time working for state government, I’ve seen the pendulum swing a few times. At one point it was okay to accept freebies as long as it was a public event, then it was almost nothing was acceptable. Now there’s an inconveniently vague “nominal value” rule.
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When I worked for the government under Obama in a civil service position with a security clearance, every time I would send my (non-American) grandfather pictures of my son, his great grandson, I would inform the SSO (security officer) of the foreign contact. And then there are these fuckers.
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Fed employee here. There’s all this regulatory case law solely about the few circumstances where federal employees can be provided with bottled water (by their employing agency.)
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we had a government customer who would pay us a dollar for our terrible office coffee lest there be a hint of impropriety
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I like an unlabeled tip jar next to the coffee pot for this. Everyone’s ass is covered without any embarrassing conversations or overthinking
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I thought I was paranoid working in finance, yeesh
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Damn it's almost like there's a class element to this shit
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I got in trouble once for buying a single coffee for a state employee in Texas. Should've gone for a house and college education instead!
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My wife works at a public library, and the workers at the circulation desk were told that they have to refuse when patrons bring them cookies.
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Given the current madness re:libraries, it's probably a good decision from a safety perspective too though.
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Absolutely! Someone mad for late fines with mental illness puts something in baked items!
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I was thinking more someone who is mad that the library won't ban any book that mentions an LGBTQ+ peson.
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I worked for police depart for 25 yrs as dispatch. People brought in baked items at holidays. We would thank them, throw away as majority of police personnel are hated. Don’t know what could be in baked items. Don’t know why library would be hated? Wouldn’t be bribe as what would it be, late fines?
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Just had a conversation with someone who works for social security about how tightly controlled any expression of political affiliations is, not just within the building, but in terms of social media likes and dislikes.
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Law enforcement personnel seem to be exempt from these rules.
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Fought SS since 2019 on overpayment of 3 mo’s when starting benefits. Was informed by agents I could work as long as I didn’t go over certain amount in this time. They went fr beginning of yr, not when starting benefits! Not 1 agent mentioned this! Want me to pay back 4 mo’s as they’re month behind!
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A perfect encapsulation of society in general: the higher you rise, the less the law applies (because it's simply not enforced in any meaningful way).
And there's annual training to reinforce the message.
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Probably 6.9 annual trainings
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We never had any political signs or bumper stickers growing up because my dad was very serious about not breaking the electioneering rules. But then my dad wasn't a SCOTUS justice, he was big on ethics.
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FYI my dad was a run of the mill NASA rocket scientist not some executive or political appointee.
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I volunteered for Obama back during his campaign, but remember having to make sure I didn’t have my button on my coat going into work.
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This is *so* true. Feds are not in it for power (for the most part), so following ethics rules is taken seriously.
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I worked for city government, not federal, but same principle. We got yelled at because the local McDonalds wanted to give us free cheeseburgers on their 'public service recognition' day.
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“Low level lanyard job person” 😢