Faine Greenwood: These people are not going to be content with just having their own fascist red states. They want to crush us too in our blue states.

If you think that we actually just need a civil war to settle this once and for all: 1. No, you don’t. 2. No, you don’t. 3. You are an idiot.

Trump’s re-election will mean four hideous years of the GOP playing constant Civil War Chicken at best - as this Heritage Foundation ghoul made clear - and actual civil war at worst. Avoiding that bloody nightmare is a pretty damn good reason to suck it up and vote for Biden.

I'd love a civil war. But no casualties, and no disruption to my lifestyle. Other than that, all good!

Civil War 2.0 is a bunch of states seceding and the rest of us not making much of an effort to bring them back. I’d feel bad for a lot of decent people stuck there but I feel bad for them as it is

These people are not going to be content with just having their own fascist red states. They want to crush us too in our blue states.

The rural/urban split makes secession a moot point; it doesn't solve the problem, it just multiplies it

Oh, it COULD be done. It would be utterly horrific on a scale that boggles the mind, but yeah, it could be done.

India got partitioned at the cost of just a few million lives after all

Yeah, I was going to say, that wouldn't be secession, that'd be full-on partition. How ugly it would be!

While that looks bad, take into account population density.

the more I see people's plans for "civil war" here, the more I want to be an early casualty when it first breaks out

Waterways would be an absolute disaster here. Every river polluted by the “conservative” areas. To say nothing of land management, roads, airports, and freight

I specifically chose the worst thing I could find!

how are we even defining 'progressive' vs 'conservative' here

RIP to like every smaller blue city in a red state, it was nice while we were allowed to live here

badly!

I am guessing (county) level voting data. Areas that vote Dem in modern era = Progressive. Areas that vote GOP in modern era = Conservative Towns/cities tend to be more Democrat leading and these areas are (usually) along major highway routes

kind of wild how this has stuck with me over the years www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/89734/...

An Empire Wilderness by Robert D. Kaplan: 9780679776871 | PenguinRandomHouse.com: Bookswww.penguinrandomhouse.com "Full of surprises and unusual revelations . . . an informed and disturbing portrait of the new American badlands."--Chicago Tribune "[Kaplan is] tireless, curious, and smart....

I notice that by that map, they ain't got a shitload of good ports....

Charleston & Mobile, pretty much. Wilmington. What's old is new again

On the plus side, progressives have access to a lot of coastlines while conservative areas are mostly landlocked.

for now

This is a fun map to overlay with US nuclear missile silos. We are spending more money than God developing a next gen ICBM (to the point it risks cancellation), and it's designed to fit in existing concrete structures!

Paradox Plaza gore

Yeah, put the conservative capitol in Dallas. There's no history of anything bad ever happening to a President there. *puts finger to imaginary earpiece* I'm being told I'm wrong.

Well something good happened to LBJ there, it’s a push

Love the tiny strip of blue crossing Idaho along the I-90 corridor. I am already dreading making that drive later this summer. At least we'd get (most of) Yellowstone National Park?

The blue bits are still drivable.

that's several diff countries... that arrogance has been going on for a couple hundred years... it def pop under that kind of nonsense.

good font choice

The book itself fell of the rails, but in "Fall or Dodge in Hell" by Neal Stephenson, he came up with a pretty convincing, and terrifying way this could happen. The outcome looked a lot like this.

The dystopia he presents in Snow Crash seems like a likely possibility too… devolving into privately controlled city states

Texas is funny bc while they pick up Houston, San Antonio and El Paso, they leave out not only the capital Dallas but also Austin

I know this isn't meant to be serious, but the blue areas would get much wealthier and the red areas would get *much much* poorer.

Dallas would again be insufferable with the revival of "world class" being prefixed to *everything*

What a wild map, just no sense of geography

I’m an American partially because of China’s civil war, which as everyone knows, went swimmingly

In fact:

There is historical precedent for how horrific it would be: the Partition of India.

Exactly.

The Greek-Turkish population transfers during the 1919-1922 Greco-Turkish War were accomplished via horrendous bloodshed too.

Side note, we Americans really don’t learn enough about all the chaos and wars in Eastern Europe and the Middle East after the supposed end of World War 1. Yeah, 11/11 was just the (temporary, as it turned out) end of the conflict on the western front.

“Red” areas would never “let” it happen bc “blue” areas are where all the money and waterways and trade and etc are.

But to no meaningful end, because one side of the conflict simply wants things that are true to not untrue and policies that cannot work to succeed, so when they fail - which will be quickly - they'll do the only thing they can do, which is blame the other side somehow and start a war anyway

Also, there is no stable geopolitical configuration of North America that doesn't have a unified United States. There is no realistic option except to consolidate control over the entire country.

The invasion of California would be wild

California would probably win but we really don’t want to find out.

True. Bad in reality but probably an awesome board game. Risk 2: Fresno

How would New England secede, though? Would we band together with NY and NJ and be our own little country? I don't know if it's useful to spitball because I don't see how secession could even be a last-ditch maneuver to avoid fascism in MA. How could we actually fight? We're so small.

Fascist attacks on Oregon during the Trump admin were abetted by law enforcement (per PPB SMS records) and at least one member of the state assembly (on CCTV video, letting attackers in the door). Traveling from Washington to riot somehow didn’t trigger federal prosecution of the attackers either.

Doesn't it just end by Google, Facebook, Netflix shutting down their services there?

I mean in the seceding and aggressing states, not California

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