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oh no absolutely no. if there is one thing i will not do it's police how people from countries without something as insane as a nobility arrange the words in conjunctions that include "sir" and "lord" and even "keir"
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if there is one traditional aspect of being American I live by, it’s absolutely refusing to acknowledge or play along with British royalty and nobility bullshit
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We're done with respecting other peoples and their preferred nomenclature already?
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did you just compare using someone’s preferred pronouns to using traditional British honorifics for nobility
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A Welsh dude at that like what the actual fuck.
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A shepherd should be better at telling whether someone's a "Welsh dude" or not, than to rely on a name.
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Your ancestors are ashamed of you sir
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I believe the term is "transworthy". If someone identifies as right and honorable, who are we to I'm sorry, I can't finish that thought even for the sake of the bit.
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Wait, is this why the UK elite is like this about trans people? Things suddenly make a lot more sense if they're literally reading it as class fealty (which is how the UK's political/media class reads everything)
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I did, however, see a YouTube auto-caption that transformed the new PM into "Sarkir Starmer"
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Sardukar Starmer would be pretty cool but also terrifying.
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Like the thing about using someone's preferred form of address, it's generally because you don't want to antagonize someone for no reason. There are many very good reasons to antagonize the British nobility.
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No, it's more like "call me Doctor, not Mister", because a group of people who've been historical and governmentally approved to do so, have declared that I've earned it. Sir Keir did some work and got a gong out of it.
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Historically, we declared Independence from the Monarchy to not have to respect this shit.
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The United States does not recognize titles bestowed by a foreign Monarchy
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Except that being a doctor requires doing a shit-ton of work in a way that is recognized internationally as a credential, not just being born fancy and/or getting booped on the shoulder with a sword by a specific country's mascot rich person
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Yeah, this is more like "Doctor, not Mister" from someone with an honorary doctorate.
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Hmm…as discussed the other day here, the criteria for the award of a PhD is highly, highly variable anyways… 🤷🏾‍♂️
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1. It's not my govt. 2. A Doctor was put in a serious amount time and effort into obtaining that title. Nobility? Not so much.
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AFAIK, Sir Keir got his title as the result of a serious amount of time and effort put in as the Director of Public Prosecutions, serving the government and the public. He didn't inherit it, it wasn't given because he had a shedload of money to invest in corruption.
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I'm not using your fake nobility titles. Especially from some smoothbrain that thinks they're comparable to pronouns.
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Also, “he didn’t inherit his knighthood, he came by it honestly: by being a cop” is legit funny
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Especially when there's no real criteria for achieving a knighthood besides whatever the monarch feels like.
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Doesn't sound like he was a bent cop, either. Maybe the Wikipedia entry is pure PR, but it sounds like he improved things.
Keir Starmer - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org
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He got his title for prosecuting nonviolent protesters whilst declining to prosecute cops who shot unarmed civilians and government operatives who tortured people. Not something I'm inclined to respect.
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Huh imagine that, he got a noble title for protecting the interests of the state power apparatus over the citizens.
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So, that's funny because a historical and governmentally approved group of people I belong to went to war with your group of historical and governmentally approved people over the right to disclaim those titles. And we won. And even put it in our constitution that your titles are void to us.
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Titles are due only when there’s an appropriate relationship. I call my doctor “doctor,” but not my friends who are doctors. I’m not in the military, so I don’t call anyone by their rank. As I’m not a part of the UK, he’s not Sir Kier any more than I expect others to call me Sir.
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Americans do not kneel, bow, kowtow, or curtsey. Our refusal to genuflect to nobility is literally a part of international formal protocol.
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Doctor Sir the right lord Kier the prime minister the Starmer mister starmer The sir kier
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British honorifics deserve the same acknowledgement and respect as an honorary doctorate (none). Getting knighted or whatever just means someone whose greatest accomplishment is falling out of the right vagina felt like booping you with a sword.
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As a PhD holder, my view is that anybody with one insisting on being called "doctor" is, under most but not all conditions, a chump. (my view about the other kind of doctor is less well-formed, but there's hierarchical nonsense there that needs abolishing)
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I can see where you're coming from, but my opinion is coloured by incidents like those where Dr Jill Biden was being disrespected by the usual suspects for daring to possess, let alone even assert, a title other than "Mrs".
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I've managed to avoid, with effort, most of that kind of media coverage, and I'm sure it was nasty, but I'm still not going to refer to Jill Biden as "Dr" unless it's a matter of, say, the secret service saying I'd better if I want to keep the rest of my teeth
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is this where I put the bit about moistened bints chucking swords?
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Listen if you got a doctorate in silly bullshit I wouldn’t call you doctor either, no matter how many pieces of paper you had.